Sixth Pay Commission !! Babus rejoice but corporate warn govt of economic disaster .

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SIXTH PAY COMMISSION STEPS TO REDUCE GOVT EXPENDITURE IN RLY DEPTT

kindly arrange to interview justice shri b n shrikrishna chairman of sixth pay commission in khas mulaquat and pose the following question if you are interested you can contact me regarding any query it will be kind of you if you can give me your mobile no also if you have email address of justice shri b n shrikrishna kindly send it to me
1)Steno attached to various officers should be withdrawn their output is 3-4 letter per day
total working day is 25 working days in a month so total qty of letter typed is 100 letter.
In private typing institute typing of one letter is rs 5 per pages so total cost comes to
around rs 500/- per month where as govt paying rs 16000-20000 per month steno post
should be curtailed to reduce govt expenditure and secondly their pay should not be
increased in sixth pay commission as they belong to no-core sector and they are
not involved with saftey.
2)Payment of employees through ecs should be made mandatory so post of cashier
should be curtailed govt paying rs 12000-16000 per month their pay should not be
increased in sixth pay commission as they belong to non-core sector and not involved
with saftey.RLY should have mou through nationalized bank by pay rs20/- per
employee as sevice charge for proving atm debit card.
3)The clerical staff should be reduced to minimum.They are like parasites and giving
nil output.THE SURPLUS staff of other department belonging to clerical staff should
be restructured their pay should not be increased as they belong to non-core sector.
A rly employee at the course of his service his requirement are to know his leave
status.pf amount etc rly by developing software and his pf no is unique just like
prn no of reservation the employee will get details in instant and at the same time
rly can curtail staff in ministrial staff in personnel and accounts deptt.
4)DRAFTMAN IN engg deptt of railways should be curtailed and surplus staff
should be utilzed in clerical work because at present the drawing are prepared
by giving to contract to private agencies & govt is wasting rs14000-18000 on
such employees so no necessary to increase salary.
5)lAW assistant post should be surrendered when railway is taking help of private
advocates to deal legal cases of railways.RLY is wasting expenditure of around
rs20000 per month.
6)Railway hospital should be privatized because RLY doctors duty is limited
only to sick and fit case they are not abreast with latest surgical procedure
because the rly employee themselves dont have any faith in them
railway hospital are dead assest govt pay rs 35000-40000 to rly doctor.Hospital
should be leased to private party which in turn should give free medical
treatment to rly employee by incorporating in agreement or by signing
MOU.(MEMORUNDUM OF UNDERSTANDING).
7)SIXTH PAY commission should encourage incentive cum performance
and the performance should be accessed by third party not working
under the pressure of rly buracrats.
8)Salary of staff attached to core sector such as operating,signal&
telecommunication,track engineers,engineers in construcction
of building its maintenace,gangmen their salary should be increased since
they are involved with saftey running of railways.Sixth pay commission
sould incrase the salary of technical staff.
9)RAILWAY should be made corporation
10)8 HRS SHIFT DUTY TO BE introduced for any category staff
and HOER 1961 should be scrapped which will reduce accident and
performance.Stict action should be taken against employees
not adhering to shift norm of 8 hrs shift duty.
11)Time bond promotion shold be given to every category of
railway employee and then only not neccessary to set up
pay commission after 10 years.
12) The backbone of maintenace of track (i.e trakmen) his
salary should be increased because an CL-IV employee of
nationalized banks earns more than CL-IV staff of railway by sitting
in A/C office where as same CL-IV staff in rly is covered in
saftey category.
13)In order to encourage 100% attendance of rly employee
his LAP SURRENDERING PER YEAR sould be given
encashment which will discourage him from taking leave
and at the same time he will get encoragement to
encash the leave at the earliset.

j k sinha
jaynita98@rediffmail.com

RAIL ACCIDENT CAUSES AND ITS PREVENTION
Railway minister on many occasion in the safety seminar&railway minister after having met various railway employee conceded that railway working can be compared to working employee of defence at border area railway minister had totally neglected the following area of safety of railways, some suggestion are given to improve the safety of railway in order to reduce railway accidents if railway minister is seriously interested into it..
1) There are no good schooling facility for employee of CL-III & CL - IV due to which whenever employee is transferred to remote places his attention is always diverted towards schooling facility of his children. As in defence whenever the employee goes central school is available where as in railway it is totally absent, staff amenity allocation in railway budget is totally zero.
The bureaucrats, who are controlled by president of India, whenever their transfer takes places they are stationed at big cities where schooling facilities is available due to which CL-III & CL-IV staff is getting demoralized day by day as the gap is increasing. The CL-I bureaucrats thinks that they are not concerned to good education of the wards of CL-III & CL- IV staff, many a times in name of harassment, they post their subordinate staff to places where schooling facilities in not available due to which CL-III & CL- IV staff is in mental tension, how can you expect that he will perform his duty properly. Even WCL which has mines in remote places but they have schooling facility of their own.
2) Rly. minister has created new zones for efficient management & smooth working for railways and to minimize rail accidents and promised to recruit 20,000 Gr. -D staff but till date no recruiment has been done,also it is irony even after independence Railway is adopting british culture where 20 Gr.- D staff give service to a single bureacrat ,how the railway minister takes measure to prevent misuse is a matter to be seen, because these Gr. D staff who should be utilized at site are utilized at home as private servants both recognized union of Rly. opposes privatisation but nobody takes this issue of misutilization of Gr. -D staff. RAIL MINISTER is requested to give one time package of say Rs60000-80000 to all JA&SA grade post just as CHAIRMAN of WCL & NTPC is given one time package of Rs. 60,000 - 80,000/- which includes all facilities such as residential accommodation, vehicle allownce and CHAIRMAN has the option to use the package as he likes whether he stays in private flat, uses his own vehicle, if Rly minister adopts such measures in Rly,as prevalent in other central department he will be able to save lot of Govt. revenue. He should create one autonomous body and they should be given the target to avoid misuse of Gr.-D staff to be used for personal work of JA &SA grade staff and not work under influence of Rly burecrat , If possible they should be under direct control of Rly. minister.Recently the railway minister just to create his image of popularity to the weak masses had conducted vigilance enquiry of misuse of group D staff but the burecrats were well aware of it before the vigilance team visited in each division and lastly it was just a formality and nothing else, the vigilance team just issused directives and nothing else.IF RAILMINISTER is seriouly interested he should conduct surprise check with a set of men from different field excluding railway burecrats and he should not give any note of his inspection in advance then only he will see the true picture of misutilization of GR-D staff as domestic servants.
3) In railway, there are two category of people recruited by railway one is inspector of work and second is permanent way inspector. Inspector of work is responsible for civil work and water supply, where as permanent way inspector is responsible for maintenance of track. These people are classified as excluded category under HOER rules of 1961, here also the main safety aspect is ignored. Burecrats staff in the name of excluded category harass the IOW and PWI staff to such an extent that they are made to forget that they have social life in society also.
These IOW and PWI CL-III staff have certain yard stick know as ITKM and according new staff was recruited, now due to policy decision adopted by Rly, the staff is managed from existing Cl-III staff. Railway minister is taking dual standard in the name of smooth working and efficient management and to promise to nation to minimize rail accidents, he is creating zones to give promotion to bureaucrat and surrendering post of CL-III & CL - IV staff who are the back bones of railway industry and working under the influenceand pressure of bureaucrats. In coming times UPA GOVT will have to loose the election due to discontents brewing in the serving CL-III & CL-IV staff. The top bureaucrats are like parasites enjoying the govt. parks and sitting in AC chamber and misutilizing Gr. -D staff.
Railway minister is advised to expel the word excluded category from Indian railway manual and each PWI and IOW should be given 8 hrs. shift duty and strict action to be taken in case of default. The PWI has to look after the duly maintenance of track besides the schedule of tests to be done as per pway manual,
One additional post of PWI should be created whose job will be only to perform the schedule of tests given in PWAY MANUAL and regular main line PWI should be relieved of this job and only concentrate on maintenance of track.These people should be equipped with latest mode of communication and should be in position to reach the accident prone site within 20 minutes of rail accidents along with railway doctor , this is possible only if RAIL MINISTER reviews this excluded category clause of HOER rule of 1961 and introduces 8 hrs. shift duty of of each staff classified in excluded category in present, rail minister is requested to give serious thought in this matter and improve the working of railway if he is interested to save innocent lives. THE rail density has increased in UP & DN line and it is difficult for the gangmen in group D staff to do night patrolling covering 16km total km and thus the saftey is negected the RAIL MINISTER should look into this matter and take necessary policy matter in this regard.
j k sinha
mobile no 09423401813
jaynita98@rediffmail.com

Central Pay Commission – Hear the Other Side. There is a big hue and cry about the appointment of the Sixth Central Pay Commission. The corporate India is scared that, the pay revision for the ‘Babus’ will derail the economy altogether. On the other hand the government employees complain that the present salary and other emoluments are not sufficient for leading a decent life, especially in the post liberalization era of high pay packets. On a realistic analysis, it can be seen that, the main problem in the Government service is that compensation at the senior levels is highly uncompetitive while the salaries at the lower ranks are not too bad when compared with market levels. In the Group 'A' level, where the officials have to take important decisions, which affects the welfare of the general public, and implement important schemes and programs, for the development, and growth of the nation, there is indeed a need to recruit the best available talent. The civil service in India has always been manned with the cream of the talent. The recruitment by UPSC is known to be the toughest in the world, and the training provided is considered as among the best. Even in spite of that there are complaints from many corners that the bureaucracy in the country is not efficient and is slow paced. Are They Inefficient? The actual problem in fact is, not with the quality of manpower, but with the system and procedure which is unnecessarily complicated, and which can only be addressed by administrative reforms. It is not correct to blame the officers or question their efficiency or integrity, for delays or hurdles in delivering, which in fact is mainly due to the administrative system, which needs to be thoroughly modified. Of course there is a question of attitude also, which can be improved by steps including betterment of working conditions. In fact Government officers themselves are the most affected victims of the system. A good example is the Pay Commission itself. Pay revisions for the government employees are due once in ten years. The Fifth Pay Commission had stated that the Sixth Commission be appointed by 2003 so that new pay scales could be made effective from 1.1.2006. The Sixth Commission was set up in October 2006 only, ie, ten months later to the date on which the revision should have actually been implemented! The Commission has been given a time frame of 18 months to submit their report. The Fifth Commission has taken 33 months to submit their report. Even if the present commission submits its report within time, it takes several months for the Government to take a decision. Who is to be blamed here, - the employees, who are at the receiving end? Another example is the medical benefits provided under the Central Government Health Scheme (CGHS) on medical insurance basis on payment of a monthly subscription. You have to undergo a long course of torture under the present system if you are to avail the facilities. You have to consult first a doctor in your CGHS dispensary and get a reference to consult the relevant specialist, only in a government hospital. By the time you get the reference, the time will be over for that day for you to go and stand in the long queue of the Government hospital. So on the second day you stand in the queue and consult the specialist. If he asks you to undergo any tests, you cannot go directly to the clinical lab. Before that you have to obtain an endorsement for the tests by your CGHS doctor. It will be practically impossible to get it the same day as the CGHS dispensaries work up to 1’clock noon only. Hence on the third day you meet your CGHS doctor, and get his endorsement to have the tests done at a CGHS recognised lab. Can you now proceed straight to the lab? No, before that you have to go to your office and submit a written request for permission to undergo the tests. So that day also is over. Next day you are able to give the blood sample for testing and get your report by the evening. The fifth day you have to show the reports to the specialist in the Government general hospital. He prescribes the medicines. You have to now go back to your dispensary for the medicines, before One’o clock, noon, which will be already over by the time you consult the government doctor. Hence the next day you have to go again to the CGHS dispensary, and get endorsement by your doctor for the medicines, and then submit the prescription in the medicine counter, which can be at another part of the city. Usually common drugs such as Paracetamol only will be readily available and all other medicines will have to be locally purchased by them. So they will note down the prescription and ask you to come and collect the medicine on the day after the next. At last you get the medicines on the eighth day, if you are fortunate. All these visits to CGHS and Government hospital involve reporting and taking endorsement from various counters, and long queues. Later, for getting reimbursement of your medical bills, you have to do a lot of paper work, and repeat the same route as mentioned above, this time taking signatures. There is no exaggeration in what is detailed above which is the real situation at present. Who is to be blamed? Definitely not the CGHS beneficiary employee, nor the employees of the CGHS. The procedure was not this bad earlier, when the beneficiaries were permitted to have specialist consultation in recognised private hospitals also, after getting a reference covering “consultation and all necessary tests”, and could go directly to the pvt. hospital without any permission from the office, have the consultation and required tests done immediately, and the cost at CGHS rates were directly paid to the hospital by the Government. The “employee friendly” NDA government has made the changes, making the facilities practically unavailable, as medical attention is an immediate requirement on one’s falling sick. A common man approaching a government office for some purpose if faced with similar complicated procedure and consequent delays, will not bother to listen about the reasons and would blame it on the inefficiency, lack of integrity and negative attitude of the concerned employees. The problem can only be solved by administrative reforms to simplify the procedure. It is a policy matter and has to be a political decision. The employees, who are the most demoralised lot because of the present scenario, would be the happiest to welcome the changes. Need For Revision It is to be noted that, not too long ago, the salaries in the private sector was not as attractive as they are now. Many of the serving government officers have joined the service when they were having other options also. They should not be punished nor made to regret for having chosen to become a public servant than serving some ‘only profit’ motivated private enterprises. The Govt. official also have to live, bring up and educate his children among those who are employed in the private sector or well paid public sector organisations. At present for even a Group ‘A’ officer it would be difficult to afford to send his child, to an IIM or any other premier institute, which is sponsored or established by the Government itself, whereas those who being less competent were not able to make it to the Civil Services, and hence joined the public or private sector, would be able to provide quality education for their children. Regarding other benefits such as promotional avenues also, the private sector, has emerged as much more attractive. In the private sector (especially in software, banking, Telecommunications, Insurance etc.) a qualified employee gets promoted to the next level in about three years, whereas in the government the same takes many more years. This will definitely demoralize the presently serving officers, and would fail to attract the cream of talent to join also. In fact there has been only a reduction in the facilities provided to the Govt. employees. Suspension of LTC a few years back is an example. For the new entrants to the service, even the pension, which was once considered as an attractive factor in the Govt., has been made contributory, resulting in an actual decrease of 10% in the net salary. Even their savings through the Provident Fund attracts 0.5% less interest, than the private sector. (The govt. incurs huge loss to provide for this higher interest to the private sector). Moreover, the salary of the Govt. employee is as such subject to income tax, whereas in the private sector, they split the salaries in to components and reimbursements so as to avoid income tax to the maximum. The bureaucracy being adequately paid is, in fact, in the interest and for the welfare of the large sections of the community, and promotes equity and social justice, for the reasons including the following: a) It is the Govt. machinery, which has to formulate and implement schemes and programs for the welfare and benefit of the larger community. Hence it is necessary that the Govt. machinery be manned with people with ability and quality. b) Govt. provides and ensures employment opportunities for the talented among the under privileged sections including SC/ST, OBC, physically handicapped, etc. The well-paid jobs in the private sector, by and large are accessible to the convent / public school educated elite layer of the society. There are no prescribed criteria for the recruitment in to the private sector employment. So the Govt. sector remains the only avenue available for the children of the ordinary man, to come up in life by one’s own effort. If salaries in the Govt. are not made at par with that of the private sector, it only adds to widen the gap between the elite and the poor sections of the society. c) Being underpaid would demoralize the public servant, which in turn would slow down the process of development. d) An adequately paid civil service would be less or not corrupt, which again is beneficial for the community. The present scenario A Group ‘A’ officer at the entry level, at present is appointed on a basic pay of Rs. 8000/ per month. Apart from that he gets paid dearness pay (DP), Dearness allowance (DA), Traveling Allowance (TA), House Rent Allowance (HRA) and City Compensatory Allowance (CCA) if applicable. The sum total of the salary and all these components per annum will be around Rs.200,000/- for an officer posted in a major city, which is meager, by any standard, and which is less than the entry level pay of an employee of average caliber in the private sector. CCA at the highest rate today is Rs. 300/- only, which provides an amount of less than Rs.10/- per day for a family in cities including Mumbai, Delhi, and Bangalore, where the cost of living is very high compared to other towns and villages. The CCA for different cities will have to be increased at least six fold of what it is today. There is also a need for changing the basis of classification of cities. City living cost is directly related to factors including the general income of the residents, price of petroleum products in that city etc. A very good example is Bangalore, the Software capital of India, where very high salaries are paid to people in the software and related fields, which constitutes a large section of the residents. Naturally the pay in other private sector areas also is on the higher side in that city. Apart from that, the price of petroleum products in the city is also among the highest in the country, resulting in a corresponding increase in the cost of living. But very recently only the Government increased CCA in that city to Rs. 300. HRA even at the highest rate of 30% of the present pay scales are not enough for a decent accommodation. Again if Bangalore is taken as an example, the HRA provided for, is only 15%. In fact the average actual house rent in that city is much higher than that of some other cities where HRA is 30%. A direct recruited Group ‘A’ officer in Bangalore will get an HRA of Rs. 1800/- per month (15% of basic pay + DP) only, with which it is not possible even to get a one room accommodation with the least minimum facilities. The TA paid to the Group ‘A’ officers is only Rs.800 per month. If the officer is residing within 1 km from the office he is not entitled for TA at all. The present rate is fixed a decade ago when average cost of petrol in the country was less than Rs. 20 per litre whereas now the same is more than Rs.50. The amount then was sufficient for buying more than 40 litres of petrol whereas the same will not be now enough for transportation to office by ordinary bus, in cities like Bangalore. TA necessarily needs to be linked with cost of petrol. Attractive Pay Needed at Group ‘A’ Level If the central civil service is to remain efficient, there is need to provide very good remuneration and working condition for the officials at the Group ‘A’ level which shall be at par with the private sector. Another factor to be considered in devising a reasonable remuneration package for Govt. officers is the pay structure in public sector organizations like ONGC, Reserve Bank, Nationalized and public sector Banks, SEBI, and the oil companies. It is a fact that the selections to these organizations are easier compared to selection by UPSC. Most of the officers of these organizations have joined them on their failure to get through the civil service and other UPSC examinations. There is need to make at least the Group ‘A’ services, if not higher, at least at par with the pay and other emoluments provided by the best of such organizations. Even a 100% increase on the present gross salary would not be at par with the private sector and would fail to attract the best talent. However considering all other aspects including the paying capacity of the Government a 100% increase along with other facilities for Group ‘A’, officers can be termed as just and reasonable. A minimum and reasonable increment of 10% of Basic pay per year is to be provided defining also the number of years to be normally served in that scale on the expiry of which the employee will have to be, if not promoted to the next higher position, at least entitled to draw pay at the next higher scale. For a Group ‘A’ officer the span of tenure to be served in the entry level should not be made more than four years. Apart from that all Group ‘A’ officials should be made entitled for: 1. Reimbursement of cost of petrol (or any other fuel) at specified eligible quantity, in lieu of payment of TA component in the salary. Even nationalized and public sector banks provide this to their officers At the entry level the officer should be eligible for cost of 50 liters as applicable in the city of his posting. 2. Air travel eligibility in economy class on official and LTC tour. At present a central government officer posted in south will have to spend six days in train to attend a one-day conference at New Delhi. 3. Rent free BSNL land and mobile phones, Lap top computers and Internet connection. This is especially important as Group ‘A’ officers are supposed to be on duty round the clock. 4. Medical facilities to include consultation in recognized private hospitals. 5. Entitlement to stay in good quality hotels on tour. The condition is pathetic at present. Hotels can be specially recognized in each place for this purpose on contractual rates. 6. At present like all other employees, Group ‘A’ officers also are entitled for LTC to hometown, with family, only once in two year block. Group ‘A’ officers are liable to be transferred to any place in India. Hence Group ‘A’ officers may be provided this facility once every year. 7. The government needs to purchase/lease housing for Group ‘A’ officers. 8. Other further incentives to match (to the minimum level at least) those provided by private sector. Some suggestions: a) Entertainment allowance. b) Facility to travel abroad to any one of the specified countries (as can be arranged as special packages each year in association with national air lines) or on any luxury train such as ‘Palace on Wheels’ in lieu of one ‘LTC to anywhere in India’ in the entire career subject to minimum specified years of service, and other conditions. Comparison with State Governments pay The central government service has always been and should always be above all other Government or local body services. People with much more competence only are able to get through the recruitment process in all levels of the central service, when compared to state or other such services This difference will always reflect on the pay structure also. Moreover, all important and key positions in the state administration are manned by officers of central services such as IAS, IPS, IFS, who also are the beneficiaries of the central pay revision. However more avenues may be provided for qualified employees with sufficient service, from the state services for deputation (and absorption also) into Central services. Another point to be considered is that, unlike the state government and other employees, the central Govt. employees are liable to be transferred and posted at any where in the country. This causes them much difficulty financially and in other ways. The studies of their children are most affected, and for reasons related to that, quiet often the employee will have to stay apart from family again causing much expenses as he has to provide means for two households, apart from personal difficulties and emotional issues. Special Provisions for Professionals Scientists, Doctors, Engineers, Lawyers, CAs, and other professionals wherever such professional qualifications with previous experience are prerequisite for applying for the post should be paid a special allowance similar to Non Practicing Allowance, now paid to doctors only. Otherwise it will be difficult to retain or attract talented professionals to Government service. Special Incentives To Promote Social Welfare The Government should set an example by itself as a model employer by providing special incentives to its employees, to promote social welfare, family planning, communal harmony and national integration. A few suggestions: 1) Recently the government has issued directions to all CBSC schools including private institutions not to collect fee from girl students who are the only surviving child of their parents. The government should set an example by providing special increment for the employees who are having only one girl child and who undergoes family planning surgery himself / herself or for spouse. This should be in addition to the increment presently available for family planning for employees having two children. To promote national integration, inter caste and inter religious marriages should be encouraged among employees and welfare and safety of such employees should be protected by special provisions including preference in allotting Government accommodation, and relaxation of transfer rules for them.

The reports of the Second Administrative Reforms
Commission are similar to ‘essays’ written by the
civil service aspirants. The only hope to bring about
radical changes to present ineffective administration
is the Sixth Pay Commission. Other than offering a
higher pay package, one of the most important tasks of
the SPC is to formulate recommendations for an outward
facing and customer-focused administration capable of
responding to the global challenges. If India needs
to change her status from a ‘flawed” democracy to a
‘near perfect’ democracy, some new concepts need to be
introduced. Following are a few suggestions -

• Bridge the gap between the government and
non-governmental sectors by creation of a senior civil
services group through fair open competition among
people in the age group 40-55 who can serve till 65.
Retired armed forces personnel shall get ample
opportunity to serve in civilian capacity. The senior
civil servants can be appointed at decision-making
levels as well as district administrators.

• Merge the All India Services with other group-A
central services to eliminate feudalism and to cease
the ongoing clash and conflict among various service
groups.

• Introduce the 360-degree reporting system to
generate a sense of fellow feeling and togetherness
among various classes of civil servants.

• Curtail the tenure by raising the minimum age limit
to 30 years (retirement 60). This will attract
matured and experienced talents to civil services and
give employment opportunity to more people.

• The minimum qualification for all categories of
employees holding group C, B or A civilian posts
should be a graduation. They can be selected through a
single competitive exam namely the combined civil
services exam, appointed on merit vis-à-vis
preference.

• Skill of writing well in the exams at a younger age
and climbing to the topmost position in the hierarchy
should be delinked.

• Bring all grades of civil and defence employees in
one bracket by introducing a single running pay scale.
A prototype of the pay scale: “b – (increment @ b/20
for 9 years) – 1.5 b (increment @1.5b/20 for 9 years)
– 2.25b (increment @2.25b/20 for 9 years) – 3.375b
(increment @3.375b/20 for 9 years) – 5.0625b
(increment @5.0625b/20 for 9 years) – 7.59375b
(fixed)”. Basic Index Pay ‘b’ is to be determined by
the Pay Commission. Automatic revision of pay scales
is also possible through periodic fixation of Basic
Index Pay.

• The ratio of the highest pay and the lowest pay must
not exceed 8:1. If not the employees, members of their
families need to be treated uniformly.

• Every employee, civil or defence may be given the
opportunity to jump to the next higher class after a
maximum period of 10 years of service. This will
address the problem of creating promotional avenues to
every employee. The Assured Career Progression scheme
that ensures financial upgradation after 12 years of
service can be merged with the single running pay
scale.

• The pay of a Secretary to the Government of India
should be a fixed sum, less than the salary of a Union
Deputy Minister. Ministers enjoy people’s mandate but
bureaucrats don’t.

• Vertical and horizontal movements should be allowed
at all levels to maintain the federalist character of
India.

• Withdraw all sorts of special grants, allowances,
and other invisibles currently given only to a
particular group of employees. Initial pay of armed
forces personnel may be fixed at one point higher than
their civilian counterparts to compensate their
difficult nature of job away from home.

• Reserve the term ‘Executive’ for the people’s
representatives and persons holding constitutional
posts. Let the bureaucrats realize that they are
‘servants’ and not ‘masters’ of the society.

• All departmental exams should be abolished to give a
fair treatment to the senior and to attract talents
both from inside and outside.

• Stop reservation in promotion at all levels.

• Pay scale and one’s position/promotion should be
delinked. Unity of command and control will exist
though one’s position in the hierarchy and not through
pay scales.

• Impart compulsory professional training at the entry
level to all groups of employees.

• Withdraw secretarial assistance staff from officers
below the rank of Directors. Make the entire
bureaucracy computer savvy who can take care of their
own affairs.

• Within a period of five years reduce cadre strengths
by 10% at all levels in the ministries/departments
(excluding armed forces) where non-plan expenditure
exceeds revenue generated. The surplus manpower may
be diverted to the productive departments like
revenue, taxation, posts, railways etc.

• Build apartments in the proximity of the offices to
ensure that accommodation is provided to every
employee.

• Scatter central government offices to other parts of
India.

• Curb spending on publicity and office expenses.

• Head towards a paperless office.

I have gone through your comments with regard to stenographers working in zonal railways/railway production units

I am sure, you must be gone through nature of duties and responsibilities being performed by them. Before posting such comments about stenographers, please go through the same.

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I have gone through your comments with regard to stenographers working in zonal railways/railway production units

I am sure, you must have gone through nature of duties and responsibilities being performed by them. Before posting such comments about stenographers, please go through the same.

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I have gone through your views with specific reference o stenographers working in zonal railways/railway production units

I am sure, you must have gone through nature of duties and responsibilities being performed by them. Before posting such comments about stenographers, please go through the same.

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Stenographers are useless luxury provided to the petty officials. There are speculations in various circles that all the officers will invariably be made computer literate. Also, it will be mandatory for the officers to learn typing at a desirable speed failing which they will not be eligible to promotions.

The entire administrative machinery is being transformed from babu-based bureaucracy to officer oriented organizations. There will only be officers in any organization. All of them shall be selected through a single competitive exam. The junior officers shall provide secretarial assistance to the seniors, if at all it is required.

The transformation will be gradual and may take a decade or so. Government have already stopped direct recruitment of Grade-C stenographers, and have set an indication.

The Pay scale of an Assistant (Group-B) in the Central Govt should be equal to the pay scale of the Income tax/Excise inspectors who are selected through the same exam and whose pay scales were the same just a couple of years ago.

Alternatively the pay scale of an Assistant should be equal to the pay scale of a Group B central secretariat officer. Both are selected through graduate level open competition consisting of prelims, mains and interview.

(i) The Assistants in the central government who are selected through rigorous graduate level all India open competition consisting of preliminary, mains and interview, have the status of a Group-B (Non-gazetted) official with a basic pay of Rs.5500/-

(ii) The Inspectors of Income tax/Central Excise/Customs who are also selected with the same qualification/exam as (i) above belong to Group-B (Non-gazetted) with a higher basic pay of Rs.6500/-

(iii) The stenographers grade-II whose basic qualification is just matriculation have been placed as Group-B (non-gazetted) with basic pay Rs.5500/-

(iv) The nurses who hold a 3 ½ year recognised diploma after 10+2 are placed in Group C.

Could the sixth pay commission remove these anomalies?

Regarding pay fixation for armed forces one has to take a divergent view. Reasons are -
(1) The personnel of officerscadre are selected through a very stringent process conducted by UPSC and Srvice selection board which is a complete filtration process. They were as capable many IAS/IFS and other Indian adm service cadres officers if not more.
(2) The kind of professional life style they lead -stressful envoron , separation from family , education prob of chilfern, inability to look after domestic affairs on time are only a few to name. Despite all odds they deliver for the nation when his duty comes first and foremost
(3) The kind of sacrifice they make is not commensurate with the compensation made at all. Why a civil servant need to be compenasted with extra allowance whe he enters North East while service personnel are not getting the same if he is not in operatopnal area. reason is clear - they have the capacity to influence!!!!
(4) How can service for the nation when he is ready to sacrifice his life can be compared to white collared babus indulging in AC rooms?
(5) Its high time to think and ponder over it lest we should land up in a state - what the USA and the UK and other developed nations are facing tha none is joining their armed forces despite best tempting offers now.

Have Read through all comments, notes, suggetions and analysis provided by everybody regarding Sixth Pay panel. Good to see different view points, everybody in this country knows how many will actually be accepted and implemented by Govt of India. It is EXTREMELY DIS-HEARTENING to see that Not a Single Point Covers Any of the Hardships and Any Compensations there-of for The MILITARY(ARMED FORCES), ARMY, AIR FORCE AND NAVY, PERSONNEL of This Country On Whose Shoulders We Rely So Heavily For The SOVEREINTY, INTEGRITY, UNITY OF THIS COUNTRY, GOOD SHOW KEEP IT UP, MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL

Please read my article on Unified Civil Service which appeared in The Hindu Dated 10/12/2006

Need to put in place a structure which can facilitate drawing upon a larger pool of talent


A QUESTION has arisen in the context of determination of pay and perquisites of government officers whether the present arrangement is an anachronism of colonial vintage and whether it would be advantageous to restructure the civil services into a single unified civil service providing mobility vertically and horizontally consistent with demands of leadership, domain expertise, training, and experience.

In these days of incessant quest to empower every underprivileged section outside the government, should it not look within to find ways of empowering it at intermediate and lower levels to flatten the pyramid and free the bureaucracy from the grip of seniority?

Among various reforms, unified civil service seems both attractive and urgent. With the availability of enormous computing power, giga level data bases, microseconds search returns and real time networking the processes of positioning the right people in the right jobs is increasingly within reach of any enlightened institution.

With the Right to Information Act in force it appears appropriate now to examine putting in place a structure which can, above all, facilitate drawing upon a larger pool of talent untrammelled by parochial cadre affiliations and year of allotment appellations. Matching job requirements with available persons with appropriate domain expertise, training and experience can be an objective and transparent exercise without intermediation by vested interests.

Performance can be more easily tracked and factored in a larger pool to get the best resources for each and every position. It will be amazing to see how the number of people thrown up for the field of consideration will revolutionise the way talent and merit find acceptance.

With a unified civil service there will be no need to satisfy elements within the government to conduct time consuming rituals such as cadre reviews which are carried out ostensibly to improve efficiency but actually to achieve some parity with services which have a `flexible complementing' system of granting promotions based on mere efflux of time. As we are all looking forward to becoming a society which is multiethnic, multicultural, and a model of inclusiveness, broadbasing the services will have a salutary impact on under-represented sections such as women, Muslims, the Scheduled Castes and Tribes and the most backward classes.

Equitable representation


A member of the unified civil service can expect equitable representation in the higher echelons and more importantly, manifest equality of opportunity not only to serve in positions consistent with one's education, training, skills, performance and domain knowledge but also for catering to his needs of training and development. A larger pool will always help in bringing a lot more flexibility to address employees' concerns in transfer and grant of sabbatical and study leave, etc.

Fixing tenures and filling vacancies periodically from a large reservoir of personnel coupled with lateral entry at various levels will ensure greater participation by larger sections of talented persons from academia, media, private sector and volunteers from non-governmental organisations.

Bureaucracy is notorious for its resistance to reforms. The existing superior services are a "marvel and an inspirational model for the rest of bureaucracy — as it sets the conditions and standards for accepting and resisting reform." However, it will be sad if the second Adminstrative Reforms Commission and VI Pay Commission pass up the opportunity to recommend measures to provide a large and flexible, knowledge based, service oriented talent pool for the 21st century management in government.

To: Shri R.Sundaram,

Your comments are more subjective than objective.

Could you please tell us the parameters of the proposed unified civil service? Should it be formed by merging the existing All India Services and other Group-A serivices? Or should it be totally a new group of service called Senior Civil Service consisting of intellectuals from all walks life to be selected through 100 per cent fair open competition from people in age group of 40-55 years who can be allowed to serve till 65, as sugguested by somebody in this blog?

In my opinion the pool of senior civil services group is a better option than your suggestion for a unified civil service allowing lateral entry.

The steady attrition now taking place from Government institutions to the the private sector, is not confined to the field of scientific reserch. Many other professionaly qualified senior officers also are doing or considering the same. The remedy is to provide special allowance to all such officers. Moreover physical science is not the only field where reserch and development beneficial to the nation is conducted. For example economiic and financial reserch as well as reserch in the field of corporate law contributes much for the economic growth of the country. The well qualified, talented and experinced professionals now officiating in these areas are also much sought after by the private sector.
The actual remedy is to provide special compensation to such officers wherever the pre-requisite qualification for a post is a professional degree with experince.

It is absolutely certain that to improve efciency, we need the clerks and stenos to move out. As the prev. comments show, at best they type a few letters and my experinece : they always complicate matter.

An efficient system would have no place for such posts.

Another importnat point is a realistic TA/ DA rates. Professionals cannot workj in Govt. As I went to Pune, I found my entilement is Rs. 200 for a hotel !

All officers should be provided with laptop and should be elligible to fly. As states previously, a one-day work in Trivandum costed me 7 days. And it is at the junior levels where professional work is output -intensive

Hay Sachin Ghish,

You are right that there is no need of stenos and clerks in the modern day high-tech government organization. At the same time the officers should be trained and ready to do all sorts of jobs. They should not tell their friends visiting them - wait for my steno/PA/clerk to come and do this job...

You are wrong in calculating the TA/DA. What about the day's salary you got without attending office? Isn't that an incentive, in addition to your DA?

The corporate sector is scared of comparative pay scales of govt employees vis-s-vis theirs'. How can they rope-in good persons, entice them away from the govt establishments now? An top of this, the corporate sectors will have to increase the pay packets to keep thier workers happy and satisfied.

Extracts from an article by Mr. C.K.G. Nair, Director, (Development Policy) Planning Commission, New Delhi, published in ‘The Hindu- Business Line, February 3, 2006:
“But also remember that 40 per cent of the top-level managers in the corporate sector de-monopolised in the last decade have migrated from the babudom and are producing immense results for those private corporates.
Similarly, the Singapore-Hong Kong experience with a substantially hiked pay and perquisite structure has been the main reason for their success in promoting responsive administration. Probably what is needed is grain-chaff management and deciding the pay and perquisites accordingly.”

1) 360 degree performance appraisal is a must to reduce sychofancy in govt offices and to allow only good officers to come up the ladder. It is a tested method in MNCs.

2)Flatter organisation is the need of the day as it will reduce the time taken in decision making and many beaurecratic hurdles can be broken and transperency can be enhanced.

3)The number of year for VRS may be brought down to 15yrs from present 20yrs as it will allow the employee to remain strong enough to takeup another carrier.

Suggestions : 1) More number of Gr. B posts to be created and avenues for promotion from Gr. C to also be increased. These can be commensurate with experience, qualification and perfomance standards etc. When qualified, automatic eligibility to be promoted to Gr. B with or without exams to be initiated. 2) More facilities to be given to Gr. C staff also. When compared to Gr. B there is a drastic difference - some even retire with only second class passes as retirement benefit. 3) Basically the difference gap between the salary/perks of Gr. B and Gr. C remains wide. This gap can be reduced by creating ample number of intermittent posts. 4) No training or courses are being imparted to Gr. C Staff leaving them at their own initiative to learn. This is also not backed by any advantage of career/promotional advancement. If Gr. C staff are to perform better they may also be trained and upgraded with better skills to fill up re-structured posts with re-structured set of duties. Just removal of a post does not serve the purpose. Utilising their services in a better way can be a welcome change from both sides. This leaves the personnel enhanced with better skills and perfomance abilities, also with satisfaction with promotinal avenues and the organisation benefits with better services. 5) The Gr. service officers and Gr. B service officers are also being sent abroad for training whereas the Gr. C are being treated biasedly. 6) On duty travel with spouse are allowed for officers, whereas this is not allowed in the case of staff. This is a unnecessary luxury. 7)As employees of the organisation must have the maximum benefit of working for the organisation, pass rules may be suitably modified to make the employees in Gr. C eligible to travel in AC class earlier. They may not be linked to pay-scales as this takes a lot of time in the service life of employees. Also it creates problems because some persons are found not suitable. In such cases, though, it is not right to take away his fringe benefits. It may possibly linked with years of service with class of service and not basic or pay !! e.g. it can be given after 9 -10 years of service in Gr. C class. 8) Stenographers are not being recruited of late. but the workload of existing stenographers have increased considerably during the while when they will be made redundant. The victims of such intermediary phase should be given a separate compensation for having beared the workload. In some institutions stenographers are performing duties of stenos two grades higher than their existing grades without being compensated with dual charges or promotion. Such cases should be investigated and suitably amended/compensated. Where as the stenos were to attend only two officers they are sometimes made to attend more than 2 officers and yet not being compensated adequately. Such cases are nothing but the brunt of apathy of Railway management towards such class and staff of organisations. 9) VRS can be given at two stages of 15 years and 20 years with corresponding benefits. 10) Promotions can be given after conducting exams. While gr. B and Gr. A have many training courses which they have to mandatorily attend before moving on to next scale, such a training schedule can also be made for Gr. C staff who can choose to attend and clear such exams in case they wish to be promoted. Training may also be given to them. 10) Of late it is seen that there is a trend that exams for courses like Refresher Course, Sr. Professional Course, Integrated Course which are a major transient point are being held and cleared in the ONLINE format where objective type of questions are asked with choices of answers. Such a pattern of ONLINE exams can be conducted for Gr. C also while promoting to Gr. Cadre. Unnecessarily they are being made to appear for lengthy descriptive type of examinations which has now become redundant. Moreover, this also ensures accuracy and effortless evaluation procedure as marks can be obtained instantly without any bias. There will be more transparency. 11) There should be a system of encashing Sick leave as well. This will reduce absenteeism. 12)Rules for temporary or permanent withdrawl of PF may be suitably modified so as to allow withdrawls for genuine reasons. The present systems envisages practice of giving dishonest reasons and manipulations for such withdrawls. 13) Redressal forums/officers may be nominated in every organisation (no matter however small) like RTI with monthly reports to be given to higher offices about action being taken in case of grievances. 14) Small organisations can be closed down/merged with other organisations if Railways are incurring losses or incurring more expenditure. It is seen that organisations take up work not connected to their organisation in order to justify thier existence. 15) Many organistions in Railway are seen taking up implementation of ISO Standards. But unfortunately, Departments like personnel/HR, establishment and staff concerned departments are biasedly being excluded from its purview !!.

Allocation of business rules 1961 and CSS conduct rules 1964 prohibit the public servants from using government machinery for personal or private purpose.

Posts like personal assistant, private secretary, etc. itself violate these rules. Due to advancement of technology and modernization of work culture the use of shorthand is dwindling. Thus the posts of stenographers in the government departments should be scraped.

Only for creating slots for promotion, posts like PA, PS, PPS, Sr. PPS etc. exist in various Ministries/Departments of Government. The basic qualification required for these posts is a mere matriculation. The sixth pay commission should seriously consider abolishing these outdated posts on which Government spends a lot. In exceptional cases the posts of stenographers can continue for some time.

In the developed countries like the US, the administrative assistants provide secretarial assistance to the higher level officers wherever required. In India too, the posts like PA, PS, PPS, Sr. PPS etc. should be replaced with Administrative Assistants who are better qualified as the minimum basic qualification required for these posts is graduation. A lot of saving can be done if the SPC recommends this point and the Govt promptly implements this.

yes but 6th pay commision has to take the inflationary trnds into consideration

yes but 6th pay commision has to take the inflationary trnds into consideration

yes but 6th pay commision has to take the inflationary trnds into consideration

Small offices can be displaced by merging small Institutes (staff of 100 or so e.g. CTIs) with larger Institutes (larger CTIs). The present trend of building Green Buildings with an expense running into crores can be avoided - alternatively used for building up infrastructure - rails, tracks, better coaches, more engines etc.

I have recently been recruited in All India Service, and iam seeing a perceptible drop in the quality of the same. Many of my friends who were earlier mad about qualifying have not even attempted to qualify civil service after they came to know about the salary of civil servants. Now, in private sector they are better off.Any officer of All India Service is to serve anywhere in India. The condition is worse for All India Service Officers then Central Service Officers. They are subjected to whims and fancies, esp in financial matters(except fixation of Pay) of the State Government even if they are appointed by the President of India.An example is the State of Orissa, where an All India Service Officer gets the lowest salary in India among his colleges. On the pretext of financial austerity, the state Government DA is just 21% at the time when central Government DA is 29%.LTC was introduced in the year 2006 only. Rate of TA is mearge 75 Rs. per day.For every transfer, the officer here gets 2 paisa per kg per km as transfer allowance, so with every transfer he has to spend around 14,000 to 15,000 from his own pocket.Moreover in the context of ever increasing emphasis on internal security, officers are being posted in remote areas initially and there is also risk to them while working there but nothing is taken into account and no benefit is being given.Moreover, Government's new pension scheme(which is not being implemented yet)has further reduced the salary. We also have to run our family,educate our children, give gifts to friends and relatives. I feel that state government considers us a liability and thought comes to my mind that if they cant pay salary to All India Service Officer,then why do they ask for them.Sometimes, it comes to my mind that i would have been better off along with my friends.

Mr. Deepak,

I can guarantee that you do not belong to any All India Service. However, please velar your vacuum on certain points.

It is not the AIS officers alone but all the Group-A,B & C officers of central government are liable to serve anywhere in India. AIS are primarily state government employees. They are either posted in the state of their cadre or at the centre. The President of India not only appoints the AIS officers but also appoints all the ministerial Group-A and B officials including Group-B non gazetted. Central Govt DA is applicable to the AIS. Due to austerity measures the LTC was suspended for some time. It is very much in vogue. Being a public servant, you are prohibited from giving or accepting gifts. The state government does not ask for AIS officers but there is a constitutional provision for this.

Secondly, have you seen the vigilance departing unearthing properties of crores illegally acquired by the AIS officers in Orissa? From where they are gathering these huge amounts? The focus of the pay commission should be to ameliorate the quality of life of thee lower rung officials than the AIS officers/Group-A officers who belong to the extra-privileged class. See how many promotions they get during their entire career and the power and perks they enjoy!! These group-A officers change their own generations!! So these extra-privileged class of employees should be brought at par with others.

ALL CATEGORY OF CENTRAL GOVT. EMPLOYEES ACTUALLY DESERVES A GREATER PAY HIKE IN THE 6TH PAY COMMISSION
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Considering the fact that infletion rises to all time higher at the moment and it will continue to rise even higher, in this situation just compare between the salary of a Private Sector Employee and Govt. Employee. There is huge difference in their pay. An CEO of ICICI Bank gets annually Rs.12-15 lakhs in comparison the only Rs.6 lakhs for the Chief Manager of SBI. Smilarly a Bank clerk gets 1.8-2.0 lakhs annually whereas a Central Govt. clerical staff hardly gets only 0.7-1.0 lakhs annually. There is huge difference in pay in other categories also. So my request to 6th pay Commision is that they should abolish these huge pay gap between these categories of employees who performs the same work. I also request the these gaps should be narrowed as far as possible by giving atlest 4-5 times in pay hike. I request this should be implemented by year end 2008 else interim relief should be provided to the employees.

Abhaya
abhaya@email.com

The last comment posted by Abhaya is most balanced.While on one hand he has compared the disparities in incone between the Govt. and private sector but has also considered the difirence existing betyween the Govt. and Public sector. I also read the comment posted by Rajasri,the writer has buitifully brought out the procedural difficulties faced by a govt. officers in availing medical facilities,less pay, perks and allowances given to GROUP A officers.What i find in the comment is only demand for mopre pay and perks but how this will be compensated by the officer is totally absent.though undoughtly the Govt. officer is paid less and all the demands raised by the person seems to be justified but the pay or compensation should definately be returned by the officer by better services to the Government for that it is necessary that the promotions/progress of the officer may be linked with performance.

People needs to look after their armed forces, para miliatary amd police force personnel by paying them better as per their occupational hazards and risks involved.

For equal nature of work equal pay should be given to all. similarly requisite qualification should be fixed up equally to all level. Common system of selection should be administered for getting talent from the different field. More benefit should be given to the core or, revenue earning sector particularly who is involved in that activities. Target should be given to each and every individual and pay should be given as per achieving the target. Increment should be given on successful achievement of the target. Station transfer should be must for everyone irrespective of the post hold by them. There should be common cadre to a common pay scale. Transferring authorities are somewhat different from the authorities where one works. Promotion should be given on merit cum suitability basis not in seniority basis.Performance appraisal should be must on all level.

A Allowance should be in sixth pay commission as Central Allowance for central employees

Entry criterion should be properly fixed if we are talking of effciency. In CSIR, people doing just BE/ Diploma is being called a Scientist and they are going to top position faster than Doctorates. CSIr is one point where no intensive is there for doing doctorate though UGC AICTE offers increments.

Read the following news item and ask yourself how much these petty IAS officers deserve and how much public resources they are grabbing. Do these Group-A servants need to be paid more? "A criminal case under Sections 323, 504 and 506 of the Indian Penal Code (IPC) has been filed against Devesh Sehra, an IAS probationer, officiating as BDO-cum-circle officer of Belaganj block in Gaya district as part of his training schedule. In a complaint filed in the court of chief judicial magistrate (CJM) on Monday, Akhauri Sushil, a class-III employee of Belaganj block, has alleged that the IAS probationer ordered him to perform 100 sit-ups, uthak baithak for coming late to office by a few minutes. Sushil (55) said he was late in reaching office that day as his bus was running behind scheduled. The complainant claimed that due to his age, he failed to complete the 100 sit-ups for which he was subjected to further harassment and humiliation. Though secretary of the Non-Gazetted Employees' Union Jiya Lal said Sehra subsequently tendered his apology in the DM's chamber, the general body of the union has rejected the "private" apology and demanded Sehra's removal from his post. In a memorandum addressed to CM Nitish Kumar, the district unit of the Bihar State Non-Gazetted Employees' Federation has set March 16 as deadline for initiating disciplinary action against the IAS probationer and his removal from the post failing which the federation has threatened to resort to agitation. The federation also decided to convened a meeting on March 17 to discuss its future course of action. Meanwhile, the Belaganj block employees have proceeded on mass casual leave till March 16 to register their protest against the IAS probationer's "high-handedness". Sehra, on his part, has been shying away from the media on the ground that service rules did not permit him to interact with the media without prior permission of the state government."

We very proudly claim to follow the policy of equal pay for equal work. We also proclaim that the Government makes no discrimination or distinction between one section and the other. But that is not true as far as the stenographers working in the Railway Board and Zonal Railways/Divisional Railway/Workshops are concerned.

The parameters for selection in the Railway Board and the Zonal offices are the same. Minimum qualification, Skill tests (Proficiency in typewriting and Shorthand) are the same. Nature of duties and hours of duty are the same.

Yet, those candidates who are assigned duty in the Railway Board get promoted as PA in the scale of 6500-10500/- within 8 years while the stenographers in the zonal offices have to wait for their first promotion after 12 years of service and that too under the ACP scheme comparatively very lower grade i.e. 5000-8000/-.

The stenographers in the Railway Board gets promoted to another higher grades i.e. Rs.8000-13500/- after putting further 7-8 years. Similarly, their further progression becomes smooth after regular intervals for seeking next grade of Rs.10000-15200/- and thereafter to grade Rs.12000-16500/-.

On the contrary, stenographers posted in zonal offices get his last promotion of Rs.5500-9000/- by virtue of ACP Scheme. In fact, a steno posted in zonal offices can never reach in their whole career to that scale which a railway board's steno get as a first promotion.
While a stenographer in the Railway Board leads very comfortable period of service, the stenographer in the zonal railways is exposed to various hazardous and risk in the performance of his duty because he has to accompany his officer during tour and inspection of officers. Since zonal railway is directly involved in the work related to operation, maintenance, safety, punctuality etc. therefore stenos posted in zonal railways have to assist the officers and to bear all sorts of agony.

In the meantime another development has taken place in the form of acute shortage of stenos in zonal/divisional railways. While the number of officers continues to grow no recruitment is being made in place of incumbent who retire or leave the job in recent years. At present about 14 lakh employees are working in railways whereas two years ago it was 16 lakh. As a result one steno has to work with more than one officer and his labour and stress gets increased while he is not compensated in the form of wages.
It is understood that the 'Northern Railway Stenographers Association' has represented to the 6th Pay Commission to redress anomalies and discrimination being done with zonal/divisional stenos and undo the justice which has been perpetrated by successive pay commission in the past.

We very proudly claim to follow the policy of equal pay for equal work. We also proclaim that the Government makes no discrimination or distinction between one section and the other. But that is not true as far as the stenographers working in the Railway Board and Zonal Railways/Divisional Railway/Workshops are concerned.

The parameters for selection in the Railway Board and the Zonal offices are the same. Minimum qualification, Skill tests (Proficiency in typewriting and Shorthand) are the same. Nature of duties and hours of duty are the same.

Yet, those candidates who are assigned duty in the Railway Board get promoted as PA in the scale of 6500-10500/- within 8 years while the stenographers in the zonal offices have to wait for their first promotion after 12 years of service and that too under the ACP scheme comparatively very lower grade i.e. 5000-8000/-.

The stenographers in the Railway Board gets promoted to another higher grades i.e. Rs.8000-13500/- after putting further 7-8 years. Similarly, their further progression becomes smooth after regular intervals for seeking next grade of Rs.10000-15200/- and thereafter to grade Rs.12000-16500/-.

On the contrary, stenographers posted in zonal offices get his last promotion of Rs.5500-9000/- by virtue of ACP Scheme. In fact, a steno posted in zonal offices can never reach in their whole career to that scale which a railway board's steno get as a first promotion.
While a stenographer in the Railway Board leads very comfortable period of service, the stenographer in the zonal railways is exposed to various hazardous and risk in the performance of his duty because he has to accompany his officer during tour and inspection of officers. Since zonal railway is directly involved in the work related to operation, maintenance, safety, punctuality etc. therefore stenos posted in zonal railways have to assist the officers and to bear all sorts of agony.

In the meantime another development has taken place in the form of acute shortage of stenos in zonal/divisional railways. While the number of officers continues to grow no recruitment is being made in place of incumbent who retire or leave the job in recent years. At present about 14 lakh employees are working in railways whereas two years ago it was 16 lakh. As a result one steno has to work with more than one officer and his labour and stress gets increased while he is not compensated in the form of wages.
It is understood that the 'Northern Railway Stenographers Association' has represented to the 6th Pay Commission to redress anomalies and discrimination being done with zonal/divisional stenos and undo the justice which has been perpetrated by successive pay commission in the past.

Northern Railway Stenographer's Asscociation
Delhi

Could anybody tell what is the present pay scale of Assistants/Personal Assistants in the Railway Board? Also, what is the present pay scale of the Assistants/PAs in the Central Secretariat?

SUB:SUGGESTION TO DISCONTINUE THE DISPARITY DUE TO BUNCHING OF INCREMENTS - SIXTH PAY COMMISSION The fifth pay commission implementation resulted in the bunching of every "three incements" to be "one increment" in the revised pay scale. This caused practically visible disparity in the pay fixation. A government servant who earned three increments by his three years of service in he pre- revised scale was fixed the same pay in the revised scale as the govt. servant who had earned only one increment in the pre - revised scale. Such diparity due to bunching of incremets need necessarily be dicontinued while implementig the sixth pay commision.I SUGGEST THAT THE NUMBER OF INCREMENTS IN THE REVISED SCALE SHOULD BE THE SAME AS THE PRE - REVISED SCALE GIVING APPROPRIATE WEIGHTAGE TO SERVICE AND SENIORITY.

I fully endorse the representation and the facts put forth by Shri Birender Thakur of Northern Railway Stenographers' Association, Delhi. I also wish to draw the attention towards the submissions made by me above.

In fact with the rapid increase in the number of officers, the stenographers over the zonal/divisional railways are not being recruited and the existing stenographers in the zonal and divisional offices as well as in the production units and projects are made to work hard and for even beyond office hours and on holidays to complete the office work and the various works being assigned to them. This aspect also need greater consideration by the Hon'ble Sixth Pay Commission, as these are the ground realities.

In addition to the submissions made above, kind consideration is solicitied at the hands of the Hon'ble Sixth Pay Commission that there had been no cadre restructuring in the cadre of stenographers over the zonal and divisional offices and in projects and production units. Only the inflated figures of so called restructuring in the cadre of stenpgraphers are being presented whereas in the zonal/divisioanl offices, the benefit of cadre restructuring has not reached for the last about fifteen years. This aspect needs kind consideration while finalizing the recommendations this time as the interest of the zonal/divisional stenographers over Indian Railways has been ignored very badly till now. Thanks in anticipation.

sir how we can see the government pay scales kindly inform us.

Can anybody throw light on the CAT case on stoppage of lateral entry of stenographers at the level of Under Secretary?

If any body having idea of new pay scale please upload for information to all which only every central govermnet employee is interested.

people who are working in PSU under IT department are far below their counterpart in private sector , below in terms of monetory benifit others are getting in private and no near comparision with the PSU .


ajay

The sixth pay commission is the only incentive for the Government Servants as they are not getting any other motivation to work hard. However, they are working as per their capability but with special incentives and pay commission their eager to work and quality, quantity will increase. Further, in the present scenario where the people outside Government are getting TARGETED JOBS WITH ANNUAL PACKAGE OF SALARY the Govt. servants should stand with them and for that it is necessary to give the chance to such Govt. servants who are capable to do something in thier service tenure. All the Govt. servants should not be treated at par. Some extraordinary Govt. servants and Govt. servants who had completed their targeted works in time or before time should be rewarded reasonably by giving them higher pay scales. So in nutshell the pay commission after a period of 10 year is only a nominal incentive and not a regular incentive/motivation. Hence, it is advised the Govt. servants should be given Sixth Pay commission as well as other incentives to boost them to work hard and qualitatively. Thanks.

The government servants are definitely eligible for a pay hike or the government should not allow price hike in consumer items, health, education etc. Either it should provide a pay hike to retain them or allow its servants to look for better avenues. Can the government afford to loose these experienced skilled personnel?.Just because Government has employed his service does not mean that his service conditions should remain at minimum level and he should not aspire for the best. This is a retainership. This is a measure to enhance the self esteem of the government.

Sir, Its high time that the government of India should consider huge hike in our pay structure to meet atleast on par with the corporate / MNC's.Because a person with good qualifications and with all the experience in government depts, is getting a very very minimum salary campared to a person one who speaks good english gets in MNC's four times, Government employee can not buy a house or he is not eligible to meet that standard.So my request is to increase salaries and at the same time the employees may meet the governments requirement too.

Government needs to urgently downsize, outsource, coordinate better and utilize its resources much more efficiently.
Will it not save space and most resources and also reduce traffic congestion if most of the Central govt Offices were to be used in double or even in triple shifts - morning shift the office space, furniture, computers and implements are used by say I-Tax officials and in the evening shift the same resources are used by Pay and Accounts Dept of BSF and in the night shift these resources are to be used by Pay and Accounts Dept of CRPF.
Can't the Govt otsource the Medical facilities, transport facilities and residential facilities it provides its employees.
How much has the Govt saved (if at all) after computerization? What has it done with the surplus staff? How much percentage of the Govt machinary is working to keep the Govt working (I mean for self governance and maintanance)?
Pay hike for the Govt servants is however essential to attract the best talent into the Govt.

The surplus staff seem to be going out as there is no new recruitment for past many years. There is definitely a change in the outlook and transparency in the government working nowadays. It is improving but not as fast as one see in a corporate world. After all govermnent servants are the psyche of the common man and bringing a change is equivalent to bringing in a cultural revolution. To effect a change of that magnitude, what you need is attraction ( analogous to glamour in social culture) and of course a lot of time.

And that attraction is the pay hike, enhanced allowances and infrastructure at par with the corporate world one wants to equate with. Just a Performance based appraisal without perks is not going to do the job. Rather it is going to induce a exodus of government servant to the other world.

mr Anup,
It seems that u too are not completly aware of the facts and practicality of things. Here, what i meant with giving gifts are to relatives on occasions of festivities and ceremonies which is not banned under conduct rules. and when u say that AIS officers are primarily state government employees, u are mistaken because practically we are central govetrnment employyes on deputation to state government and who is alloted a parent cadre in the beginning. The parliament has enacted an All India Service Act and for ur further knowledge,you can refer tod that.Moreover, when u are talking of the vigilance raids unearthing crores of properties,why do u forget that what i was talking was about honest persons depending on the salaries only for all their needs and not corrupt people, who by all means anywhere are doing this business. And this does not apply only to All India Service Officer but to everyone. And when u are talking extra priviliged class of AIS officers, why do u forget the amount of responsibility and accountibily which is kept on these officers and the practical problems of the administration. What accountability a clerk or police constable owes? Moreover man management is the keyword now a days and we are trained and expected to do it as a part of our work but in the entire affairs everyone forgets that apart from officers, we are also employees and who will do our management. There is no one to do our management. Moreover, places which were not under the control of Britishers and were ruled by Rajas are slightly difficult to administer as the rule of Law has not percolated down. You as a citizen might be aware of ur duties but in these areas, people are becoming aware of their rights(which is good thing) but dont know that they have certain duties also. This thought of yours that the officers are priviliged lot, is biased. and you need to research before writing irresponsibily

mr anup,
either u are the person who could not qualify the civil services exam or u have very little knowledge about the affairs of practical administration or you are a very rich businessman at a very comfortable station. because ur entire comment reflects anti officer attitude. Whatever dmr deepak and mr asish has written is absolutly correct, so pleasse dnt comment on anhyone without having proper knowledge and experience.

Mr Anup,
i feel that u were not able to qualify civil services exam that is why u are so anti officer.even if u are then u might not have worked in field to know the practical difficulties of it. your comments are totally out of place

The salary structure of an govt. employee is very low looking to the inflation in the market and day to day use commodities. Other facilities like HRA is also very low against the cost of rent paid by an employee for residing in an rent paid house. The latest D.A. assured by the govt. shows the hike in prices of goods and commodities. Petrol prices had a huge hike in last seven to eight years. The business class enjoys the fruit of money as they increase the cost of the articles sold by them.
Govt. should curb the mediators in the business, provide price listing on the goods itself which the person has to pay. Put ration on daily use articles.
The corrption in the Govt. sector be curbed and provision for proper punishement on offering and receiving of under table money should be made. Watch on sectors like P.F., courts, tahsils, police department be done. The powers of police should be curtailed.
A low class govt. babu should not suffer the hazardness of today should be main moto behind the new pay structure.

Since unemployment problem in India is a serious issue it would be better if the retirement age is reduced to atleast 58 to all govt. employees including teachers and high technical institutions. The sixth pay commission should initiate necessary steps for this so that lakhs and lakhs of literate graduates and post graduates could get the job oppurtunity in all the fields.

there is more variation between the salaries of govt. and private employs

The salary structure of the Govt. employees is very low in comparision to the private and public sectors these variation should be abolished and make a resonable salary structure and should be looking up to the inflation in the market and day to day use commodities. Other facilities like HRA is also very low against the cost of rent paid by an employee for residing in an rent paid house but now the structure of HRA should be merge and should be follow 20%(for unclassified cities), 25%like C grade cities ,28%like B Grade cities & 30% for Metropoliton cities and HRA will be given in the above mention %age it is incerase or decrease who are posted in the remote are whose HRA should not be ignor. The latest D.A. assured by the govt. shows the hike in prices of goods and commodities. Petrol prices had a huge hike in last seven to eight years. The business class enjoys the fruit of money as they increase the cost of the articles sold by them.
The powers of police should be curtailed.
A low class govt. babu should not suffer the hazardness of today should be main moto behind the new pay structure. Since unemployment problem in India is a serious issue it would be better if the retirement age is extende upto 65 year of all govt. employees including teachers and high technical institutions and make a concreate/substantisl decision for create huge job. The sixth pay commission should initiate necessary steps for this so that lakhs and lakhs of literate graduates and post graduates could get the job oppurtunity in all the fields.

Sir,

I am Junior Assistant in the scale of pay 3200-85-4900 (LDA Scale). I want to know the following points -

1. First of all, I want to know about Educational Qualification in the post of Junior Assistant.

2. Nature of work/ job

3. Experience if any in this post.

4. Proposed pay scale in the sixth pay commission

5. Any other diploma


Kushal Das

Forget about everything guys. Now the need of the hour is to recruit all categories of civilian officials (Group A,B,C & D) through a single competitive exam and every one should start his/her career from the lowest rung i.e. a peon or a gardener. This way the existing disparity and discrimination among various classes of employees can be eleminated.

All sorts of invisibles should be abolished and only salary but HRA should be paid to the employees. Govt. should construct apartments at the proximity of every office and every employee should be asked to reside in the govt. apartment. This way, efficiency of any govt. organisation will increase manifold and it will save the entire HRA being given to the employees.

All the schools, colleges and other educational institutions should function on dual shift basis. This way, higher education will be accessible to everybody and the burden on infrastructure will also be reduced.

Why should govt increase the non-plan expenditure when people of the requisite calibre are ready to work at the existing salary structure? SPC will only suggest a mechanism for increasing efficiency in governance at minimum cost to Government!! And none of the government employees does any wonder.

Reply to Mr Sinha from Nagpur
He discussed at length about railway financial burdens. I agree to his comments about clerical staff.But his observations about Railway Doctors are quite biased and without ground reality knowledge. Railway has working population of nearly 15 lakh emplyees. Taking a average of 2-3 dependant persons, the health system beneficieries are roughly 45 lakhs. Also take into account of retired Rly employees who must be around 30 lakh(including dependant members). To cater 75 lakh beneficieries Railway spends approx 700 crores for medical dept annually.(Bombay Muncipal Corporation alone spends 700 crores per yr only for Bombay's hospitals) It comes to 1000 Rs per beneficiery.
Railway doctors are doing most of the professional work at their workplaces depending on the infrastructure available. Most of the places approx 70-80 patients are seen by one doctor per day. Considering the monthly slary of Rs 30000 It comes to Rs 30 per patient. Apart from that, only Railway doctor can take responsibility of maintaining strict fitness standars for operating staff because of their accountability.
Even after putting on sincere yrs in service, his knowledge is questioned by an engineer (DRM,GM) who have forgotten their subject's core knowledge ( THey only remember administrative knowledge).
So it would be welcome to close medical dept as no doctor would die of unemplyment. But let me know which insurance company will offer medical treatment including lifelong supply of medicines antidiabetic, antihypertensive & other medicines at premium of Rs 1000 per yr? Also which insurance company will take care of retired employees?
Even if private agencies takes over who will entertain the feudal eng dept burocrats when they go for treatment? Will they be given priority? Whether they would have the audacity of questioning their decisions?
India is land of Hippocrates. People forget the essential things when they get the power. The said Mr Sinha should remember sincere doctors when he really is having health problem.
Let Govt decide to shut all Govt hospitals & see the economic prosperity as there are no average citizens living in this country.

mr anup, ur anti officer attitude is totally out of place.u dnt realise practicality and ground situation.i fully agree with view of mr.deepak n mr nitin

Ha Ha...

It seems as if only the angels could get through the civil services exams!! You substandard and mediocre chaps, Govt. is paying more than what you deserve. Just think over - how much were you earning before qualifying the civil services exams?

I have suggested the SPC to conduct a study and find out the barest minimum salary at which the Govt. could run the bureaucratic machinery with the desired level of efficiency. There is no need of offering stability of tenure or paying pension or gratuity. The govt. servants could take care of their own affairs. So you fellas, don't expect any miracle in your pay structure. The gap between the highest pay and the lowest pay is narrowing down and after a decade or so it will be be an absolute zero.... No clerks... no peons... and everybody will be treated equally....equal pay for equal work (40 hours a week)... only a small component proportionate to performance and output will be offered to you Servants...

Some people like "anup" are born with skewed mentality which is their GOD GIFT so people should not bother about such characters, actually they are THE REJECTED MATERIAL who vent off on the net, so we should encourage them to do so, because, if by doing so they get some satisfaction then Why Not?

The Clerical Staff i.e the Lower Division Clerk now Jr. Assistant as per RCPS, they are call the foundation pillar of the administrative Work, but what they are getting only basic of Rs. 3200, and the total is Rs. 7100 how much they can save and how much they can utilized for their basic needs, the Govt. must think about them and increase the Basic pay to 4500 plus in the the sixth pay commisson & over and above the minimum qualification for them is Graduation. But the pay is as not as per the qualification, the I believe that the Govt. should stop the Pay commission policy and insted of that it should introduce the promotin policy on the basis of duty performed and chance shoul be given to capable employees to be promoted to higher scale with in five year of time period from the date of joing the job.

Everybody is a capable person guys... . The least capable are not being replaced after their retirement. Govt has increased the retirement age of university teachers from 62 years to 65 years recently. Don't you think that the retirement of sarakari babus should be reasonably increased from 60 to 62 years?

When everybody from a clerk to the cabinet secretary is essentially a graduate, why not they be selected from a single exam? And why should there be so many classes of servants but not a single class/category of generalists? The Hon'ble President of India wants the young and dynamic youths of this nation to generate new ideas? Where are your new ideas guys? Don't you think of anything beyond an increase in your salary?

mr anup,
u really seems to be a rejected lot that is why u seems to be barking on all government servants, conviniently forgeting that however much ur life might dbe comfortable today, a lot of credit has to be given to government servants. If we talk of black sheeps, they can be found anywhere( even in World Bank). U seem to have written all about uselessness of stability of tenure, pension, gratuty without taking into consideration the basic laws of motivation which are being strictly adhered by the private sector. And the government has to take care of its employees, that is the base line. u better have a look at the singapore model. U really seems to be a rejected lot

mr anup, u really have skewed mentality and thank God, u people are not the ones who have to decide. u just stinks

Dear Fellow Citizens,

I have read all your comments. Most of the comments are focussed at a substantial increase in pay. But we are working on various other important issues. Have patience; I am going to offer you a bonanza before Holi next year. I am going to offer you pay at par with the private sector. The security guard deployed at my residence is getting a consolidated pay of Rs.5000/- per month. He has been hired from a private company. I shall decide the pay scales of other government workers accordingly. Just enjoy till you receive my report!

To
The Chairman
Mr. Justice B.N.Srikrishna

Sir,
My concern is towards the ARCHITECTS working in the Govt. Like the doctors as they are given NPA 'Non Practicing Allowances' which is an additional perk over and above the salary, the ARCHITECTS shall also be given a similar allowance for there professional qualification as even they are not allowed to practice while serving in the Govt.
Sir, I kwow I am late as the date for giving the suggestion has passed, I think it is always better to be late than never.
Expecting a relief in this concern with a shaft of hope.
Thanks

Sir,
My concern is towards the transfer policy in ICAR (Indian Council of Agricultural Research). Some people are employed near there home town and they are there throughout their life.They can either devote more time to work or devote more time to family liabilities if it becomes the later which happens in most of the cases , definitely work suffers and finaly there is less output from the system. Similarly many people who are employed in a far off place from their native, they are there for so many years. Because of lack of stringent policy they never get chance to come out of there even if they apply for the same, the authority turn down their request giving them some baseless clue because they are the authority leaving these people in mental agony. This also affect the work and lead to less output from the system. There is some guidelines to maintain ratio of scientists in certain proportions from native and outside the states but that never works. Kindly recommend some suitable guidelines so that everybody get chances to get transfer to his choice place after serving for a period of 5-10 years in a particular place as per the choice of council to facilitate better work and more output.
Thanks

sir,
all i can say is that first the govt of india should appoint defence officers serving or retired for the welfare of the serving and the retired soldiers because they are the backbone of our country no one can deny the fact the hardship they undergo compared to any other service i would also like to suggest that free railway pass should be granted to atleast disabled ex servicemen who are boarded out and recive pension .

Read below an article by Iftikhar Gilani published in Daily Times: ”More Indian officers choosing voluntary retirement” NEW DELHI: India is worried at the increasing exodus of top officials from the government. In 2007 alone, 26 officers of various batches and at different levels in the central and state governments have applied for voluntary retirement. The Department of Personnel which sought the Prime Minister’s Office (PMO) advice on relieving them was told to keep their applications pending and persuade them to at least wait for the report of the Sixth Pay Commission. The PMO also directed the department to approach the commission to devise an attractive package to stop Indian Administrative Service (IAS) officers from leaving their jobs. The prime minister wants the best talent in the bureaucracy to come up for better delivery of government services and hence the government cannot afford to lose the talented officers lured by the private sector. However, department officials say whatever package the commission devises, it cannot prevent the exit of the junior officers as it will never match the private sector offers, particularly when it comes to key positions at young age they are offered by the private sector.

Read the article above. If an attractive package is not devised to stop talented, directly recruited 'Group A' officers from leaving the service, it will be disastrous for the country. Hope the Commission will do the needful in the interest of the nation.

To:
Iftikhar Gilani whose article was published in Daily Times: ”More Indian officers choosing voluntary retirement” NEW DELHI: India is worried at the increasing exodus of top officials from the government. In 2007 alone, 26 officers of various batches and at different levels in the central and state governments have applied for voluntary retirement....


Hi Gilani ji,

How does it concern India when only 26 out of about 35 lakh government servants opt for voluntary retirement? Do you think that India is lacking talents in any sphere? I have concrete report that out of these 26, 23 are under CBI scrutiny and departmental disciplinary action against the rest 3 IAS officials are going on. Most of them have accumulated wealth of billions of rupees and so they want to quit their jobs now. You are under wrong impression that they are voluntarily opting retirement because of meager salary. Forget about this.

They can survive happily only if they quit the Govt. sector and and join any private company. This is just to eyewash the public and to divert the attention of the CBI.

Can anybody tell me the probable date of this pay revision going to take place and how much difference will be there??this is really urgent and people who are having some judgements needs to give this information.

Hi all!


G'night

sir
kindly consider the situtation of railway signal staff. they work round the clock,under huge pressure. there is no facility provided to him.

I would like to advice Mr.Sinha from Nagpur that before giving his expert comments on clercal officials in Railways he should research about the India's planning commission objective.When Indian economy is booming and people are talking about the INCLUSIVE GROWTH all the officials of Railways should get a hike on salary.India should focus on the BOTTOM OF THE PYRAMID because that has effect on Indian economy.I would request the 6th Pay commission to hike the salary for clerical staffs because LOYALTY IS A TWO WAY PROCESS and people shold atleast get a salary hike atleast after 10 Years.

Read the article “Bureaucrats opt for high-paying corporate jobs” by Sudhi Ranjan Sen published in NDTV.com on June 13, 2007 (New Delhi): The Sixth Pay Commission has triggered off an internal debate on the exodus of bureaucrats from the service. The Commission has circulated a questionnaire amongst India's bureaucrats, asking whether their salaries should be brought on par with corporate pay packets. The largesse, however, is directly linked with performance. The prime minister may have asked corporates to do a rethink on paying fatter pay packets to senior executives but the 6th Pay Commission now wants to know whether government servants should be paid on par with the private sector. In the last three years, at least 150 civil servants have left for high-paying corporate jobs. And the government finds it hard to get the talent it requires. ''There is a dearth of good people. It is not only pay. The government should provide an environment as good as the private sector. The whole system needs to be changed,'' said Veerappa Moily, Chairman, Administrative Reforms Committee. Struggling governance In a questionnaire circulated among bureaucrats the Commission also wants to know whether: · A bureaucracy paid in parity with the private sector holds the key to honest and diligent governance · Can appointments of secretaries be made contractual, linking perks to performance · Should there be higher compensation package for scientists · Is there a need to redesign the pay-scales of all Group A services so as to attract better talent · And should benefits like bungalows and personal staff be done away with While the Commission maybe trying to address the problem the R V Vadiyanatha Ayyar Committee Report on restructuring of training officers bluntly said: ''The IAS is no longer the first option for the youth of the creamy layer of the society. For them the lure of the greener corporate pastures, be they in India or the United States, has proved irresistible.'' The governance of the country is struggling to keep pace with the booming economy, mainly because the government cannot get the talent it needs. A better pay package coupled with more accountability could provide some answers.

Read from the article “Students losing interest in Civil Services” by Deepak Kumar Mohanty published in News Track: “The present generation thinks of their country as big and different but with a changed perspective. Students after completing school go for their technical education just because they find more opportunity to earn money with a luxurious life. Again we all know that an officer in IAS/IPS cadre hold much respect and power but less money”

Read the article “Services losing it to corporates” by Sanjay Pinto published in NDTV.com on June 13, 2007 (Chennai) Many good students are now opting out of UPSC exams and several veteran officers have quit plum IAS and IPS jobs to join mega corporates. Is it the money or job satisfaction or is it just the belief that government service means compromising on basic values that many bright students are shying away from the Civil Services. Gowtham Raj had all it takes to be a successful IAS candidate. A brilliant academic record with an engineering degree he has the right family background, his father being in the IAS. He had a strong desire to serve as a cutting-edge officer. However, Gowtham chose to walk away. Instead he wrote the CAT and cleared it in one shot, walked into IIM-Ahmedabad and is now a management professional in an IT company. So was it the mega bucks of the corporate world that tilted the balance? ''The perception is that the political structure is such that you will not be able to operate freely and opportunities are not necessarily based on performance,'' said Gowtham Raj, management professional. Talented young men like Gowtham Raj are not far off the mark when they fear that the services will make them political puppets. Political bosses Ask Vivek Harinarain, a 1980 batch IAS officer of the Tamil Nadu cadre. He was the high-profile IT Secretary during the Jayalalithaa regime. But when he fell out with his political bosses he was sidelined and dumped in the State Salt Corporation. Hurt and disillusioned, he resigned and became an IT consultant. ''I left the Civil Services because honestly I found no reason to stay on. After 27 years of service, you know you still don't have a choice about what you are going to do tomorrow. There is absolutely no security of tenure because the choice is not yours,'' said Vivek Harinarain, ex-IAS officer. ''The choice of where you are posted is definitely with your political bosses to a very large extent. It is dependant on how you work and you don't work, but then the fact is that there is no fixation of your tenure and you are here today and gone tomorrow,'' he added. Tamil Nadu has one of the most deeply politicised services in the country. With each regime change favourites are in and rival officers kicked out. And punishment postings and vindictive prosecution by political bosses is a regular feature. Financial insecurities IPS officer MVN Suryaprasad had had enough of a job that offered many insecurities and little financial security. So while serving as the Police Commissioner of volatile Madurai he went on a study leave. He topped the class at IIM-Ahmedabad and bagged one of the highest-paying job offers last year from the RPG Group. ''When we had joined the forces, the pay disparity between the public sector and the private sector was not that much, and the perquisites that were offered to the public sector had quite a good value,'' said MVN Suryaprasad, ex-Police Commissioner, Madurai. ''But now with the advent of communications technology the monetary value of those perquisites is dwindling and the corporate sector in its quest for good talent is paying the people what they are worth,'' he added. Had Surya Prasad continued in the IPS he would have been an IG and his salary per month would have been Rs 60,000, including perks. But now as the CEO of a corporate he is getting Rs 5 lakh every month. The money factor has been a big reason for the exodus of many honest babus from the services. Because the salaries of even the highest officers who have served for decades is not a patch on what a fresh graduate from a B-School gets. While the salary of Chief Secretary is Rs 30,000 per month and that of Director General of Police's Rs 26,000 per month, the starting salary of average B School graduate is Rs 80,000 per month. The three-tier Civil Service Exam is long drawn, lasts a whole year and is extremely unpredictable. But those who value the versatility, prestige and the power it offers are the ones willing to rough it out every year. There may be no drastic drop in that number of roughly two and a half lakh candidates every year. But the quality of students going down this road is a clear give away that the civil services is slowly losing its charm.

Pay Scale should be difference between Tecnical and non-tecnical staff.

the present pay structure in the givrnment sector is really like a liquid oxygen. it neiter allows you to die nor to live. well there is much disparity in the pay structure of government sector also. the pay structure of pure central govt employees is much lesser than the public sector employees. why this disparity is there even though the both the organisations are of govt only. there should be uniform pay structure both in central govt and public sector of govt . the pay should be increased according to the inflationary trend of the market . and the pay commisiion must ensure that it must give its report in time . and the increase in pay is commensurate to the present trends of the market .

past pay scale is not good so my point is pay scale should be balance becz if u join private firm u can see huge diffrance in pay scale. my second point is pl pc sir increase Transport allowance like 100 to 400 or equal.


m.k.joshi

It is very disheartening that every one here comment only about the civil central govt service. What about the important contral government sector the DEFENCE sector. Without which how can you people sit and type the comments so freely on the computers. There is not a single word mentioned about the defence personnel who give their life every day at the border protecting the country at the RISK of the highest order "THEIR LIFE". The hardships faced by them cannot be compared and measured monitorily. They sacrifice their whole life for the sake of country for such a meagre monitory benefit is very much hurting the sentiments of not only the matryrs but also the dejected family members whom they leave behind in this world to suffer. I think the DEFENCE SECTOR has to be separated like the Railways and postal department and a separate pay scale has to be fixed taking all the constraints in consideration. DEFENCE SECTOR is mostly considered as non-profit organisation and it is been neglected by everyone. This is a very very disheartening act. It is requested that everybody do respect the DEFENCE and the DEFENCE PERSONNEL and give good suggestions for improvement to the DEFENCE SECTOR. It is a request to the commission that the proposals of the defence sector be given a careful thought before declaring the pay scale.

btech iits itbhu should get br-etter salaries than ias in central govt to attract and retain the talent.bhu b tech iit b tech are much more talented than ias officers .ias are nothing but babus and pet dogs of politicians

sido should be headed by technocrats in stead of ias dcssi.btech itbhu and iits selected through upsc as clss 1 officers in sido shold get fast promotion and special status in the deptt.these btech can never give output under less talented ias babus.dcssi is unfairby designating sipos dip holders as gazetted officrs and at the same time keeping iit btech at same position for 10to18 years to show the supremacy of bureaucrat over technocrat m/o msme .dcmsme. sido will definitely collapse under non technical bosses lie ias babus.ias should be posted only in general admn .professionals should head their organisation.if chairman cil,sail,bhe3l etc may be tech graduates ,why not small org like sido?

pepole like u cannot see others growing sir, a defence officer is on 24 hours duty does command a good pay scale as compared to private organizations. whenever the country need the armed forces the are there with full strength from floods to internal conflict management we are there. people like u only clap standing outside and watch tv and have drinks in pubs and talk about boominf economy and effect of pay commssion . wake up sir and widen ur horzion because we guard the nation that u sleep in night and have boomimf economy. wake up sir

Compare the plight of Indian government employees with that of their US counterparts. If that helped them to become the worlds super power, why not we also try that? Arizona Republic- June 25, 2007 : “Federal workers, on average, are paid almost 50 percent more than employees in the private sector, an Asbury Park Press analysis of salary data shows. The average federal worker made $59,864 in 2005, compared with the average salary of $40,505 in the private sector, according to the latest data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. And that pay gap appears to have widened in the first nine months of 2006, preliminary data show”. And read from an article from the Labor Market Reporter. “Background: Comparing Government and Market Compensation Over the past four years, the American Legislative Exchange Council has published research on government employee compensation under the general title of America's Protected Class. On March 22, 1995, Wendell Cox provided testimony to the California Assembly PER&SS Committee with respect to the costs of government employment in California. This testimony was based upon California research, America's Protected Class III: The Unfair Pay Advantage of Public Employees and America's Protected Class: The Excess Value of Public Employment. The point of the testimony was that California government employees --- both at the state and local level --- are compensated at well above rates paid to comparable employees in the private sector”.

pay commission should hike the pay of accounts personnel as they are being paid much less as compared to those in private sectors and undertaking.

The economy of the country is booming and India is moving forward very fast to become a super power. The government machinery has to create an atmosphere conducive to this. Special, very attractive and at par with the best in private sector, package is needed for the officers of concerned regulators, departments and ministries. Officers of Ministry of Corporate Affairs, SEBI, and Department of Foreign Trade should be given the best pay and perks. Otherwise the jobs would not attract talented youths, and the economic growth of the country would be adversely affected as a result of that. At present many of the officers of such departments/ regulators are considering quitting. Take the example of M/O. Corporate Affairs. The officers of that ministry are appointed from a cadre called ‘Indian Company Law Service’ (ICLS). The pre requisite qualification for applying foe selection to ICLS is to be a CA, CS, Cost Accountant or Advocate with specified years of experience in company law matters. Many of the presently serving officers are having more than two of the required professional qualifications. In the present scenario where they get huge pay outside how many experienced professionals would opt to apply, for the cadre, which offers a pittance as salary.

Read from "The Hindu": Pay more to NSSO surveyors to retain them: Pronab Sen New Delhi, June. 27 (PTI): Crippled by high attrition rate and manpower crunch, the Ministry of Statistics and Programme Implementation has decided to ask the Sixth Pay Commission to improve pay scales and service conditions of the NSSO survey staff. "We will represent before the Sixth Pay Commission seeking pay hike for them (field staff) and better working conditions and brighter promotion prospects," Ministry's Secretary and Chief Statistician of India Pronab Sen told PTI here. Saying that over 200 employees have quit the National Sample Survey Organisation (NSSO) in the past two years, Sen reasoned "we have realised the problem and are accordingly planning steps to contain the attrition." The Secretary pointed out that surveyors are highly valued by private sector market survey organisations, and added that "this attrition has reduced our ability to expand survey activities." Justifying the need for improving service conditions for the field formations, Sen said, "last time we offered jobs to 350 people of whom only 250 accepted the offer." Against the sanctioned strength of around 3,400 surveyors, the organisation has only around 2,600 personnel, he said adding "we want the government to fill the vacancies as with the current strength we will barely be able carry out the assigned functions." The Sixth Pay Commission headed by Justice B N Srikrishna is currently looking into the salary structure of the government employees and is scheduled to submit its recommendations by April 2008.

In CSIR system maximum post are Scientists and they are reaching as Deputy directors levels as time bound promotional basis. They are taking highest salaries from the goveronment. Sixth Pay commission should examine wheather they are engaged in Scientific work or any other administration work in their labortories.

wether govt or the sixth pay commisson recomends increase in pay and perks for the govt employes or not .one thing should be done 100 percent that is the pay and allowences of the defence personnel should be increased dramatically so that justice is done to our brave soldiers.only defence officers must have a say in the sixth pay commisson report there is no point in taking the advice of the civilian officers who have no knowledge about the condition and the hardship a soldier undergoes during his service . the surplus staff of all government offices must be given only half the salary as they dont have much work to do because there is no productivity .

The present pay scale of a stenographer is Rs.4000/- to 6,000/- as per the 5th pay commission. Because the qualification of the stenographer is matriculation. But the maximum stenographers qualification is graduate and above. so its qualification should be graduate and its pay scale should be fixed in Rs. 4,500/- to 6,500/-.

There is a saying that "Government work is God's work" If so, then in this secular country of ours, why are the disciples performing the work not being given the due prasad in terms of pay, perks, quality workspace and above all job satisfaction. A special consideration must be given to our brothers and sisters of the armed forces, considering the nature of their job and work space.

All I seek from the Lord Almighty is let good sense prevail with the commission.

small scale enterprises is state subject.central govt is playing vital role in development.sido class one technical officers are directly selected through upsc.most of the technical officers are b.tech from institution where admission is through iit jee.it is proposed to declare ssi service as all india service like ias ips etc.it is the need of the hour to retain talented engineers in sido msme .state govt officers in dic etc are definitely officers of low calibre.hence indian industries service may be formed like indian forest service for faster development of msme sector.group a officers of engineering stream should immediately given the status and pay of divisional commissioners to boost up the morale of engineers.in the present era of globalisation engineers and scientusts should be rated higher than ias. professionals contribution in making the country developed one is much more than ias. more over engineers are born administrators in service. president of india shri apj abdul kalam has proved it.better promotion prospects to technical graduates will stop brain drain of technical officers to ias etc.

Defence- 6 TH paycommission pay scale should be according to his working cultural , risk of life .Examle ;- A jawan is being paid 6000 to 7000 salary even though he can not think of his comfort life by this salary while he is at 100% risk of life.

---- A security man at any ATM is far better than a soldier-----

---soldier awakes than only citizens of india have a deep sleep----

please have point with heart.

Defence- 6 TH paycommission pay scale should be according to his working cultural , risk of life .Examle ;- A jawan is being paid 6000 to 7000 salary even though he can not think of his comfort life by this salary while he is at 100% risk of life.

---- A security man at any ATM is far better than a soldier-----

---soldier awakes than only citizens of india have a deep sleep----

please have point with heart.

The Govt. is not following the slogan of
JAI JAWAN JAI KISAN.

THE LIFE OF ARMED PERSONNEL IS FULL OF DANGER ADVENTURE AND HE IS DEDICATED TO THE COUNTRY AND GIVES HIS LIFE FOR THE SAKE OF COUNTRYMEN AND THE COUNTORY. A SOLDIER IS GETTING PER MONTH AGGEGRATE SALARY RS. 6000 TO 7000 IS VERY SURPRISABLE. THE CHILDREN OF ARMED PEOPLE CALLED HIM UNCLE BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW HE IS HIS FATHER WHO IS EVER BUSY TO PROTECT COUNTRY PEOPLE AND THE COUNTORY.

R.S.PANWAR

According to Rank Indian Army Peronnel
are eligible to pay hightest salary in the country as per his services rendered to the country. At the end they are protector of the nation.


M.L.GARG

indian industries service cadre should be formed for sido class one technical officers.after completion of sixteen years of service as class one officers they should be given status /rank of director of ministry .time bound pay promotion like ias should be given to gr a officers slected through upsc. directorate and commissionarate of industries of state govts shold be headed by iis officers of sido for fast promotion of ssis. immediate action may be initiated by parliament act.

vehicle is purchased in the name of field office.it is retained by dc msme office.how the officers of br msmedi rajkot will offer suitable service to the lakhs of ssi units of saurashtra including rajkot? it appears that ias officers with one year experience is provided with new vehicle in the field whereas btech with twenty years experience in sido has been given unservicable vehicle. is this the repect our engineers scientists are given by the govt.ias are looting the country like any thing .this is the basic reason of brain drain.govt must provide better perks 'status'facilities to technical officers than ordinary graduate ias.govt of india must learn it from developed nation to fullfill the dream of developed india by 2020.

all secretaries and ministers should be professional.for example doctor should be secy of health.engineer should be secy of ssi,ind.etc.scientist as secy of science and technology.all political parties must have cadre of experienced professionals so that ministers are also expert of related field.at present class five pass can become chief minister. ordinary graduate as ias and talented professionals as subordinate officers then what will be the fate of country?survey says that toppers of high school level are scientist .engineers.doctors'mediocres are ias.bottomers are rajnetas.few exceptions may be there but in general it is the fact' govt must do some thing in this line for better efficiency.

Regarding the posts of stenographers, i am in the opinion to be withdrawn because, after the introduction of RTI, there is almost nothing secret as such in the government office and hence to my opinion there is no requirement of such posts.
Regarding the vehicles being procured by the various govet.department is absolutely not required, the vehicles which are being utilised by the govt. department can be hired with Rs.15-20 thousand per month simply. No burden for any other staff like driver, mechanic and other staffs. Therefore to my opinion the ENT section of various department must be shut down to save a huge amount may saved by the govt.

Minimum qualification for stenographers should be first class graduate with stenographic skills in both English & Devnagari scripts. Also, a steno should not remain a steno through out his career in Govt. office. Therefore, he should have option to switch over to other cadres after say five years from the initial appointment. Existing stenos should acquire new computer skills and update themselves so that their existence is not threatened.

Is it possible that the IAS is abolished altogether and an unified civil service created? Also, should we not contract the Group C cadre and abolish the Group D?

if the nation need talented administrators there should be jeeafter class twelve like iit jee.the selected candidates shold be admitted in administrative colleges for 4-5 years like iit.based on the performance in administrative college they should be placed as ias,ips etc.if this will be introduced people having merit equal to present ias will become assistants.most of the meritorius students presently trying for engineering may occu8py the position of ias.i mean to say that inferior level of civil servants are selected because most of them are rejected lot of engg/medical at college level.you may say ias are the best talent amongst the worst talents at present

I am working as Jr instructor in Pondicherry Engineering college
my scale of pay 5500-175-9000
next catagory is Sr.Instructo
The pay scale is 6500-200-10000
resently supridentent grade I& II which the scales are same are merged as 6500-200-10000
is their any order for our catagary
Jr instructor&Sr instructor
if any body have evidence kinly send it to my e mail address

moka230@yahoo.com

It has been disheartening for me being appointed as a Publication Officer on April 2007 of an medical institute under the Ministry of Development of North Eastern Region, Govt. of India in the pay scale of 4500-7000 in Grade-C post. The essential educational qualification for the post was (i) Bachelors Degree from Arts/Science and (ii)Post Graduate Diploma in Mass Communication and Journalism or Masters Degree in Mass Communication and Journalism. Desirable experience expected was 3 years work experience in scientific journals. Now the question is: Is the pay scale or the grade appropriate to the post i hold as a Publication Officer? I fell that i should have been placed at least in the Grade-B post. Being placed in the Grade-c post, i felt nervous and irritated when i learnt that Drivers and Carpenters are also placed in the same post. Besides i am lossing interest in my work as this has been very sarcastic and undefined. Should not my post be upgraded? i am totally confussed !

IT IS TRUE THAT NEW PAY COMMISSION IS URGENTLY REQUIRED BUT GOVT MUST CUT ITS FORCE THROUGH VOLUNTARY RETIREMENT SCHEME. THE GOVT ALSO REDUCE 20 YEARS CONDITION TO 15 YEARS SO THAT EMPLOYEES COULD TAKE SOME OTHER JOB/WORK

I am totally agrree with Mukesh Kumar's view that Govt should come out with some VRS and reduction in the 20 years of service. This will leave ample scope for employees to go for other alternatives at early age.It will improve efficiecy and will also curtail Govt's expenditure. The increase in the salaries will be compensated through reduction in force.

Eminent writers do not think twice about what a governement executive gets these days.
If sixth pay commission comes, Indian soveriegnity may not wind up, but if pay commission does not do something tangible, India would certainly lose ALL its talent in Government sector

In a goverment department all employees are not alike. So many are well qualified and doing their work with extreme sincerety. It will be unfair to them if they do not get hike in their pay scales. Good emplyees are leaving goverment organisation in want of better pay structure. All goverment oraganisations cannot be abolished, they need to be exist and for their existence a good work force is required. So change in the pay scales is the need of time to retain good work force for survival of goverment organisations.

i guess the 6th Pay commission is a welcome relief for government servants as their is pay when compared with that of private sector staff. atleast some parity is made.

It seems strange.

After the hike in 5th commission, already plenty of funds are over paid to central & state govt.
There may not be high difference in salary of Teachers in rural/town area & urban area. Hence saving potential level for rural/town area is highly unrealistic who are being overpaid with very less work loads.
On opposite side, honest, low/ middleclass/employees are struggling like anything, again pay their taxes by giving limitations to their basic survival needs.

Is this a balancing concept?
Some people say India is booming. But how what percentage of employees...
what percentage ...All are not high qualified, All are not Software experts..


If the sixth commission is going to give hike once again, this will be not be a justice concept at all but just distributing the amount of poor, insecure tax payers to all these highly secured Govt Employees.

Pls balance it

Thanks & regards

It seems strange.

After the hike in 5th commission, already plenty of funds are over paid to central & state govt employees.
There may not be high difference in salary of Teachers in rural/town area & urban area. Hence saving potential level for rural/town area is highly unrealistic who are being overpaid with very less work loads.
On opposite side, honest, low/ middleclass/employees are struggling like anything, again pay their taxes by giving limitations to their basic survival needs.

Is this a balancing concept?
Some people say India is booming. But what percentage of employees ??
what percentage ...
All are not highly qualified,highly placed,Software experts..


If the sixth commission is going to give hike once again, this will be not be a justice concept for at all but just distributing the amount of poor, insecure tax payers to all these highly secured Govt Employees.

Pls help we insecure pvt employees

Thanks & regards

The Hon'ble Chairman,
VIth CPC, New Delhi

Sub: Injustice in granting Pay Scales and Status to Zonal Railway Stenographer – Inseparable part of Ministry of Railways.

With due deference, it is to apprise you that Railway Stenographers as an individual and their dedicated Secretarial Assistance is an inseparable tool to Administration, therefore, are identified with Officers. In this connection, few lines are appended below for giving Parity in Pay Scales and Status to Zonal Railway Stenographers with their counterparts in Railway Board (RBSSS) who are construed to be part of the Central Secretariat Stenographers (CSSS):

1. That as per Rule 103 of Indian Railway Establishment Code – Vol.I, “Anyone working under the Administrative Control of Railway Board is a Railway Servant”. Thus, all Stenographers working in Zonal Railways, Production Units including Railway Board work under the Administrative Control of Railway Board and are inseparable part of Ministry of Railways, viz. Central Ministry like other Ministries. Therefore, Ministry of Railways admitted in their affidavit before Central Administrative Tribunal, Ernakulam xxx…. This is because of the basic difference between Department of Railways and other Government Departments. It may kindly be noted that the Department of Railways is a separate Department and industry by itself under the Government of India and it is governed by a separate Ministry, Railway Board, General Managers and officials under them and is a separate independent department with its individuality….xxx. Moreover, the Zonal Railways/Production Units/Railway Board Stenographers attached to work under Officers appointed through Indian Railway Services, whose Scales and Status remain unchanged irrespective of Place of Posting/Working only their designation/nomenclature changes.

2. That Ministry of Railways gives Zonal Railway Stenographers step-motherly treatment e.g. IVth CPC in Para 9.42 stated xxx Stenographers working in other organization …. Like Department of Railways, Ministry of External Affairs, may be placed in the same grades of pay as have been recommended for CSSS…xxx Railway Board Stenographers already participating in the CSSS and ‘Department of Railways’ meant for Stenographers who are not participating in CSSS, which was omitted knowingly/intentionally in Finance Ministry Notification No.F.15(I)-IV/86 dated 13.09.1986, for which Railway Board never countered them and itself stated Railways is separate Department.

3. That when Zonal Railway Stenographers asks for granting pay scales applicable to Department of Railways, Board contends Stenographers are “Common Category” with other Central Government Offices, and, when Zonal Railway Stenographer asks for granting Pay Scales and Status applicable to other Central Government Offices Stenographers, Railway Board contends Railways is a separate Department with its individuality (statement Para-1 above). Then, Why the Railway Board Stenographers are enjoying Pay Scales and Status applicable to CSSS along with facilities of Railway Servant viz. Free Passes, PTOs, Railway Bonus, Holiday Homes, Officers’ Rest Houses, etc.?

4. That Railway Board’s discriminatory attitude jeopardized the Zonal Railway Stenographers Cadre as follows :

(a). Parity in Scale Rs.1400-2600 given to Gr.II Zonal Railway Stenographers with Railway Board/CSSS Gr.II Stenographers vide Railway Board letter No.PC-IV/89/Imp/1 dated 26.06.1990 (Annexure-I) – Basis viz. Board of Arbitration Award dated 18th Aug.,1989;

(b). Parity disturbed vide Railway Board’s letter No.PC-IV/86/RSRP/1 dated 07.08.1990(Annexure-II) – Granting Scale Rs.1640-2900 to Railway Board Stenographers only;

(c). Partially (25% posts) granted Gr.Rs.1640-2900 from existing Gr.II Zonal Railway Stenographers strength balance (75% posts) remained in Gr.Rs.1400-2600 vide Railway Board’s letter No.PC.IV/89/Imp/1 dated 07.05.1991 (Annexure-III);

(d). Recently vide DOPT’s OM No.20/29/2006-CS.II dated 25th Sept.,2006 (Annexure-IV) Railway Board Gr.II Stenographers’ Gr.Rs.5500-9000(pre-revised Gr.Rs.1640-2900) given revised Scale Rs.6500-10500 specifically given to CSSS only, with this further aggravated disparity;

(e). Vide DOPT’s OM dated 1st March,1988 (Annexure-V) all Stenographers Gr.Rs.2000-3200 (revised scale Rs.6500-10500) given Gazetted Classification – Classification not implemented over Zonal Railways, and, made it Selection Post (Written, Viva-voce & Service Record) whereas, Vth CPC clubbed Gr.Rs.2000-3200 and Rs.2000-3500 by taking cognizance to DOPT OM (Gazetted & Non-Selection Post) and revised the Scale Rs.6500-10500, Group ‘B’ Gazetted;

(f). Because of non-implementation of Gazetted Classification in Gr.Rs.6500-10500, Zonal Railway Railways Stenographers are deprived of Scale Rs.8000-13500(Non-functional).

(g). In haphazard manner Railway Board granted PS-I and PPS Scales Rs.7500-12000 and Rs.8000-13500 (both Selection Posts purely on Adhoc basis) only 16 and 2 posts respectively on each Zonal Railway by withdrawing equal number of posts from Gr.Rs.6500-10500 without forming Cadre and Recruitment Rules;

(h). Brief justification enclosed for granting Parity in all respects to Zonal Railway Stenographers vis-à-vis Railway Board Stenographers/CSSS (Annexure-VI);

With the present trend where powers are decentralized, further authority delegated, more transparency sought for, higher degree of involvement of public through RTI Act, critical judicial pronouncements, increasing office automation, promotion of the concept of paperless office, efficiency in administration with reduced manpower etc., the cadre of stenographers assume a significant quality, especially in an organization
like the Railways, where a paradigm shift towards ‘corporate attitude in management’. In this, it will be the stenographers with their proven competence, will play a remarkable role. This potential category needs motivation with removal of all prevailing anomalies that existed so far and granting parity with the Railway Board Stenographers/CSSS.

In view of above, I, on behalf of Indian Railway Stenographers’ Association (Regd) pray for, as follows :

(a). Maintain parity with RBSSS/CSSS in Scale of Gr.II Stenographers Gr.Rs.1400-2600 (pre-revisedGr.Rs.425-700) since 1.1.1986 and arrange to pay arrears thereto;

(b). Maintain parity with RBSSS/CSSS (including other Central Government Office and Delhi Government Offices) by giving Gazetted Classification to PS Gr.Rs.6500-10500 (pre-revised Gr.Rs.2000-3200) since 1.1.1986 with Non-functional Scale Rs.8000-13500 (RSRP) to Z.Rly. Stenographers and arrange to pay arrears thereto;

(c). Please give a call to Railway Board Administration to find the Answers to questions asked;

(d), Maintain parity in all respects with RBSSS/CSSS upto the rank of General Manager of Zonal Railways/Production Units keeping in view that Stenographers are identified with Officers only;

(e). Present Zonal Railway Stenographers’ case from Railway Board side to VIth CPC for granting higher Scales and Status than RBSSS/CSSS, if not, at least Parity in all respects with RBSSS/CSSS.

Give us a chance to meet your kind honour to justify our case in person, so that doubts/query, if any, could be cleared to curb anomalous position further. Before superannuation, your favourable/justifiable last presentation to VIth CPC for Z.Rly. Stenographers would be a blessing to them, and, remembered as an inscription forever.

Thanking you,
Yours faithfully,

Encl: As above. ( Harish Thawani)

Sub: Anomalies in the Pay Scales of Stenographer of Zonal Railways vis-à-vis CSSS /Railway Board.

Hon’ble Sir,

With due respect, following is stated for your kind perusal and favourable consideration, so that injustice mete out to Railway Stenographers could be relied:

ZONAL RAILWAY RAILWAY BOARD CSSS

QUALIFICATION
Matriculation Matriculation Matriculation

RECRUITMENT AGENCY
Railway Recruitment Board Railway Recruitment Board /
Staff Selection Commission Staff Selection Commission

RECRUITMENT PROCEDURE
Written & 80 wpm Speed Test Written & 80 wpm Speed Test Written & 80 wpm Speed Test

PERKS & FACILITIES
Free Passes/PTOs, Holiday Homes Free Passes/PTOs, Holiday Homes, Officers’ Rest Houses, LTC, Home Town and CPWD Guest Houses/ Dark Bungalow

BONUS
Productivity Linked Bonus i.e. Railway Bonus Productivity LinkedBonus i.e. Railway Bonus Ministerial Bonus

The grades as well as status of the Stenographers in Ist & IInd Pay Commission - Zonal Railways Pay scales were higher than CSSS/Railway Board, as under:

As per Pay Commission Pay Scales recommended for Railway Stenographers. Pay Scales recommended for Railway Board/ Central Secretariat Stenos.
Ist Pay Commission Rs.80-220
Rs.200-300
Rs.260-350
Rs.300-400 Rs.60-130+20/-
Rs.160-300
Rs.250-375
Rs.325-500
IInd Pay Commission Rs.130-300
Rs.210-425
Rs.380-530 Rs.130-280
Rs.210-425
Rs.350-770
Rs.500-900

PRESENT SCALES & STATUS:

ZONAL RAILWAYS CSSS/RAILWAY BOARD
Gr.4000-6000 through RRBs (Written & 80wpm speed test) Qulf.: Matriculation Initial Gr.4000-6000 through RRBs & SSC (Written & 80 wpm speed test) Qufl.: Matriculation.
Gr.5000-8000
-100% Departmental 100 wpm Shorthand Speed Test Ist Promotion Gr.Rs.6500-10500
-50% Seniority
-50% Departmental 100 wpm Shorthand Speed Test
Gr.5500-9000 (Seniority) 2nd Promotion 6500-10500 (Group’B’) (DPC at UPSC level – Seniority) after 4 yrs. In this grade automatically get Gr.8000-13500 (non-functional)
Gr.6500-10500 (Selection Post)
Written, Interview & Service Record 3rd Promotion Gr.8000-13500(Non-functional) - Seniority.
Gr.7500-12000* (Group’B’) Selection Post – Written, Interview & Service Record. 4th Promotion Gr.10000-15200 – Seniority
Gr.8000-13500* - Seniority 5th Promotion Gr.12000-16500 - Seniority

* Scales are given only on Adhoc basis with Selection and still Cadre has not been formed.

ACP SCHEME

ZONAL RAILWAYS CSSS/RAILWAY BOARD
Ist ACP Gr.Rs.5000-8000 ( only after qualifying 100 WPM Shorthand Speed Test) After 12 yrs Ist ACP Gr.Rs.6500-10500
2nd ACP Gr.Rs.5500-9000 After 24 yrs 2nd ACP Gr.Rs.8000-13500(non-functional) / Gr.Rs.10000-15200
To Reach Gr.Rs.6500-10500 after at least 25 years service. To Reach Gr.Rs.6500-10500 only after 12 years service.

PARITY IN GR.RS.1400-2300 GIVEN TO ZONAL RAILWAYS WITH RAILWAY BOARD GR.RS.1400-2600 VIDE BOARD OF ARBITRATION AWARD DATED 18TH AUG.,1989.

PARITY DISTURBED & ITS CONSEQUENTIAL EFFECTS

ZONAL RAILWAYS CSSS/RAILWAY BOARD
IV CPC – Gr.Rs.1400-2600 IV CPC – Gr.Rs.1400-2600
They revised it as Gr.Rs.1640-2900 for their own.
V CPC – Gr.Rs.5000-8000
Replacement of 1400-2600 V CPC – Gr.Rs.5500-9000
Replacement of 1640-2900
They revised it as Gr.Rs.6500-10500 for their own.
VI CPC – Z.Rly. will get replacement of
Gr.Rs.5000-8000 VICPC– CSSS/Rly.Bd. will get replacement
of Gr.Rs.6500-10500

DUTIES & RESPONSIBILITIES

1. Duties and responsibilities of Stenographers of Zonal Railways are peculiar as compared to their counterparts working in the CSSS, Railway Board and other Central Government Departments, who are confined within four walls of the office, in an environment positive in nature. Railway Stenographers work on line too with their respective Officers e.g. Inspections, Foot Plate Inspections, Accident sites, Shop/Shed floor and even in Production Units where there is very noisy and high degree of temperature atmosphere. Also, work in adverse natural climate during casualty/emergency at accident site in an environment negative to human nature. On line there is no prescribed working hours, may extend upto 12 – 14 hours a day.

2. The Railway Stenographers are duty bound to maintain Confidential Reports, Confidential and Secret Files of various staff and matters. In addition to their normal routine duties, Railway Stenographers work unlimited and as long as officers remain in office, the stenographer also remains and assists the officer. For this extra work/duty no remuneration is paid. They are responsible for keeping uninterrupted communication channels with the field/operations/movements etc.

4. Though the Budget for the Railways is separate as well as the Railway Officers Cadre with whom they are attached to work is also separate from Central Government, fair deal while granting pay scales by previous Pay Commissions to Railway Stenographers is not given. The Railway Stenographers deserve higher pay scale than that of the Stenographers working in the Central Secretariat Services which include Railway Board Secretariat. Unfortunately, they are not even treated at par with the Stenographers of Central Secretariat in respect of pay scales.

5. We therefore, propose that higher pay scale be recommended to Stenographers of Railways considering the uncommon nature of duties being performed by them as explained above or they may at least be treated at par with those working in Central Secretariat Services in recommending pay scales.

S.No. Designation Existing Proposed
1. PPS(Group’B’) Adhoc Rs.8000-13500
AT LEAST AT PAR WITH C.S.S.S./RAILWAY BOARD
2. PS-I(Group’B’) Adhoc Rs.7500-12000
3. PS-II Rs.6500-10500
4. Sr.P.A. Rs.5500-9000
5. Confdl. Asstt. Rs.5000-8000
6. Jr.Steno Rs.4000-6000

Hon'ble Chairman,
VIth CPC, New Delhi

After every Pay Commission's Report, there is resentment within the Central Government employees, which lead to bundles of anomalies and give an opportunity to Union Leaders to cook their meal. This may be looked into. These anomalies consume lots of time and money. To overcome this situation, I may suggest that there should be unified Grades/Scales, yardstic, hierarchy, etc. category-wise within Central Government Employee irrespective of their Offices and Place of Posting.

ON THE DIFFFERENT SITES OF INTERNET THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE ARE QUOTING LIST OF SCALES/GRADES CONSIDERING THEMSELVES CHAIRMAN, PAY COMMISSION. THEIR PRREDICTION FOR SCALES/GRADES LOOKS LAYMAN'S WORK. IT IS MY HUMBLE REQUEST TO COMMON MAN DO NOT QUOTE GRADES/SCALES, FOR THIS THERE ARE CERTAIN UNIONS AND JCM LEADERS, LET THEM DO THEIR WORK.

Not only Pay Commissions but all sorts of Commissions established to study and recommend measures for betterment of the bureaucracy should gradually eliminate the disparity lying within the system. For civilian employees, there should be only one category of employees selected through a single recruiting agency based on a common syllabus. Similar arrangements should be made for armed forces and technical posts too. The supporting staff like drivers, cleaners, peons, cooks, gardeners etc. should be outsourced. A unique ID number should be allotted to all those who join Govt service, based on their rank in the merit list; this will eliminate hassles in determining seniority in different departments/ministries. The pay scale at the initial grades should be same for all employees. If the initial pay scale of a staff nurse becomes equal to the initial pay scale of a doctor, then people will not look down upon any particular profession. This way, equally talented people will join govt. service at every sphere. Promotions should be based on performance and not as a matter of right.... all sorts of fringe benefits should be down away with but a better pay package should be offered.

I was working with a Private Limited Compnay posted in Jamnagar and head Office in Mumbai. I left the job in July31st 07, upon inquiring my P.F withdrawl, my H.O informed to come and directly settly in Mumbai with P.F office. FYI Mumbai is 900 Kms from Jamnagar and in my past assignment also had worked for Mumbai based H.O but from there after submission of my P.F withdrwal form I got my funds within 4 months.

Your expert comments in this matter will be highly appreciated.

Over Indian Railways, Stenographers of Zonal Railways are being given Step-motherly treatment by Railway Board. Government makes no discrimination or distinction between one section and the other, therefore,there should be 'equal pay for equal work. But it is entirely falsified over Indian Railways as far as Stenographers working in the Railway Board or Zonal Railways/Divisonal Railways/Workshops/Production units are concerend.

Railway Board is dominating over Zonal Railways like an "East India Company". As per Rule 103 of Indian Railway Establishment Code - Vol.I "Anyone working under the Administrative Control of Railway board is a Railway Servant". Railway Board itself filed an Affidavit in Ernakulam CAT stating XXX... This is becsue of the basic difference between Department of Railways and other Government Departments. It may kindly be noted that the Department of Railways is a seperate Department and Industry by itself under the Government of India and it is governed by a seperate Ministry, Railway Board, General Managers and Officials under them and is a seperate independent department with its individuality"...XXX, It is also pertinent to point out that Stenographers of Indian Railways are attached to the officers selected throgh Indian Railway Services, and, their Scales and Status remain unchanged irrespective of Place of posting/working only their designation/nomenclature changes.THEN WHY SCALES AND STATUS OF STENOGRAPHERS IS DIFFERENT WITHIN ONE DEPAREMNT? WHEREAS, STENOGRAPHERS ARE IDENTIFIED WITH OFFICERS ONLY.

Moreover, when Department of Railwys is seperate from other Central Government Office,THEN WHY RAILWAY STENOGRAPHERS ARE PARTICIPATING IN C.S.S.S. AND ON THE OTHER HAND ENJOYING PRIVILAGES APPLICABLE TO RAILWAY SERVANT ONLY VIZ. FREE PASSES, PTOs, RAILWAY BONUS, RAILWAY HOLIDAY HOMES, OFFICERS REST HOUSES, ETC.?

It is only Zonal Railways' employees efficiency, THROUGH which Indian Railways earned a remarkable profit @ Rs.20,000 crores. Zonal Railway explores the feasibility of any Project/Work, prepares the narrative Project Report, makes its Estimates, etc. and send it to Railway Board, which only endorse its approvalon it, and send back to Zonal Railways to implement the Project, it is once again Zonal Railways to work on it, HENCE ANYBODY COULD TELL US, WHAT IS THE CONTRIBUTION OF RAILWAY BOARD AND ITS STENOGRAPHERS AND STAFF? Even in a report submitted by Rakesh Mohan Commitee, recommended -- Abolish/Wind up Railway Board; its an overhead.

Railway Board's outdated contention Policy making and Decision taking body, now-a-days has no bearing due to decentralisation and devolution of administrative powers of officers down the line,which empowered them to take decision independently and work out the policy to implement at his own level. Here it is pointed out that WHAT IS PERCETNAGE CONTRIBUTION OF RAILWAY BOARD'S STENOGRAPHERS IN MAKING POLICY AND TAKING DECISION?

Is there anybody to pay heed to sheer injustice mete out to Zonal Railways' Stenographers.

NORTHERN RILWAY STENOGRPHERS' ASSOCIATION.

Mr.Anup

Your comments are baseless, you are not well verse with the ground reality of common man. In your opinion, instead of making Government Job lucerative, Government Servants should follow the path of corruption.

Harish Thawani

Govt. should be a model employer.
It should pay to its employees a handsom salary and at the same time should tap the work. In group D cadre, present 4 or 5 stages should be reduced to two. Minimum qlfns should be metric. Graduation should be mnm qlfns for clerical posts and it should be restructured as Executive Assistant, then Section Officer, then Administrative Officer/Under Secretary and upwards. Promotions to non IAS officers should be limited at Under Secretary/Administrative Officer. There may be only uniform examination for selection to clerical (executive assistant) posts and each promotion should be given only after passing through departmental examinations. The present pay should be increased by at least 3 times. To attract brilliant youngersters to govt. service, govt. should compromise in wage structure. Comparing to govt. secture, the perquisites/compensation packages are far better. Even in PSUs the package is not so bad. Service rules should be simplified. The rates of TA/DA to be increased for undertaking tour. Organisations of common nature may be amalgamated/merged. Office procedures should be automated. To attract young aspirants to scientific institutions, defense services, there should be a considerable increase in pay packages in those sectors. The posts of Steno should be minimised and at the same time the posts of Typists should be abolished. Despatch work to be entrusted with Group D (as the qualification is enhanced to metric). Executive Assistants should have good typing speed and proficiency in stenography. A person recruited against All India Service (IAS, IPS etc) should be allowed a pay package of minimum Rs. 35000 pm. There should be time scale promotions. The maximum salary (in our case the post of Cabinet Secretary) should be not less than Rs. 100000/- pm.

First aniversery of SPC.

pl.rise the hra level of Cclass cities and unclassified areas to a reasionable level.
from dr. bv srinivas

(i)There should be special incentives for the employees and officer who frequently go on transfer.
(ii) Thjere should be lumpsum grant on transfer when an employee moves his family so that he can easily transport his belongings through a "packers and movers" and it should not be restricted to rail freight charges.
(iii) Present HRA policy is hopeless and has no reality if we compare the market situation. Cosly cities irespective of population should be properly taken in to consideration.
(iv) Performance based scheme is very difficult in govt. organisations. It is very difficult to evaluate the performance of a employee/officer in govt department due to various reasons. Sometimes clumsy rules does not allow the smart officers to perform and produce the way they want. In most of the cases even the nonperforming officers are rewarded due to thier good relationshiph seniors.

Hi Guys! Have you seen the interim report of the SPC published by the print media? I am not going to say if this report is correct of not but to say that the report is based on facts and figures derived after considerable efforts. Rs.20000/- basic salary to the fresh civil service recruits!! What a shame! No matter to what extent you overestimate yourselves, the public do have a bearing on the process of determining the basic pay structure of their servants. I had suggested the pay commission to offer a maximum of 18000/- to these fresh recruits and scrap time bound promotions, do away with all sorts of fringe benefits but provide two-bedroom apartments to every govt. servant so that they live within their means and realize their own limitations. However, it appears that the pay commission is a bit sympathetic and has a good foresight; they are going to offer 20000/-, probably because it will be applicable even 10 years hence. And timebound promotions? What makes you elegible to enjoy this right and what special qualities do you posses to continue to eat this fruit? There should be departmental exams at every stage beyond the Under Secretary level - I have suggested this point to the Administrative Reforms Commission. You poor AIS chaps - Apene aukat main raho!!

Sir,

Recently I have seen a corporate head's salary will be around 77 lakhs per month including 3 crores worth performance linked bonus. It is a cellular phone coy based in India. If the coy can give such salary - to its head - robbed from the share holders, why is the hue and cry of the salary of Govt. employes?

Inflation is due to large money inflow (like US $) in India.
One person is earning in respect to foreign currency, and one in repect to Indian currency.
Another point is - Is it possible for a government servant to buy a house in metro city( Banglore , Delhi, Bombay etc.) with his entire incom accumulated during service, even senior most government official can't buy house in these city.
Education is going too costly ( Engineering , Madical fee goes to high). Inflation is going too high. And after 6th pay comission it may soaring high to its limit.
But following strategy should be adopted -
1. Government staff should be Computer savvy. Even they should work through laptop/PDAs, So they can impart maximum efficiency.
2. Most of the goverment services should be made to online. So that it help in record management/save time and many aspects.
3. For every promotion transperency should be maintain. like videograpgy in interview/ written exams etc. Because humans are biased - they think about regionalism/castism and involved in corruption.
4. wherever possibility reduced staff/ automated process should be adopted. Since function of government is to provide better service/ regulating system etc.

Why talk so much about Stenographers. Almost all the stenographers recruited in the past twenty years are graduates and above. Stenographers can do both stenography and clerical work. Most of my colleagues in the other cadres have revealed to me that they also attended shorthand classes but could not either concentrate or get through. So one must understand the importance of learning shorthand and its value. In some of the multi-national companies Stenographers have been made "Executives".

India has partially moved out of Inspector Raj.But some posts such as inspector of income tax etc are still continuing.i think it is time to change the Name of posts for removal of the word Inspector.

any job

I am working as asstt manager Technical in the pay scale of 8000-13500 and get about 22000 gross salary but as compared to the private sector it is of course a small figure.Persons having same qualification and expeience are getting to the tune of 50000 to 60000.Pay comission must take care of this while designing new scales.


sharnpal

The biggest problem for Govt. department is huge population of employee. unless there is substantial reduction in work force, there can never be a good hike in the payscale. Where I work, I find that if the staff strenghth is reduced by half, there will be better productivity. Situation is such that you can't allocate even 2-3 hours job to each of the staff. Look Around whereve and assess the percentage of staff which can be surrendered. In Railways there were 16.5 lakhs staff about 16 years back & now it is 14 lakhs approximately. I assess that with present activities in Railways not more than 10 lakhs will be needed with 6-8 hours work.Has anybody made a reasonable norm for manning of each activity in Railway? It should be recommended by the pay commssion that DA will be linked with teh surrender of staff stength in a year

Pay Commission should abolish the posts of stenographers. We are in a technologically advanced phase where the use of shorthand or stenography is no longer relevant. These matriculates have been taking undue advantages by buttering their masters and becoming executives through lateral entry. Of late, this wrong practice of lateral entry is being challenged in a court of law. They are now barred from taking SO departmental exams..... Soon they will be stopped from lateral entry and later, all of them will be removed from service. I am an IAS officer and practically I do not need a stenographer to discharge my duties. I know typing very well and I have a digital recorder too. Practically I do not need the services of a stenographer. I have requested the Pay Commission to recommend abolition of these posts and curb unplanned expenditure.

Mr.Ravi,

Stenographers are back bone of the administation and beaurocrates become handicapped without Secretarial Assistance. You are might be one exception,or, you have earlier been tried for Ministerial Cadre and later by luck got the job of IAS. Moreover, The Chairman, IIIrd Central Pay Commission in one of his notes sent to the then Prime Minister stating that the only two categories should be called Government Servants viz. Offiers and their Stenographer(i.e. PAs) and, all other work should be got done through contractors on contract basis.

I entirely agree with Mr. Ravi and admit that the modern administration does not need stenographers or stenography. I am also an AIS officer and I have bitter experience with my subordinate officers who were promotees from the stenographers cadre. Ours is a forward moving society and there is no need to go back to an earlier period/refer to the 3rd central pay commission or anything like that.....!! Yes, we the senior officers do need secretarial assistance but I personally feel that my personal assistant should be more capable than a mere matriculate stenographer who is also known in several odd names like PA (Peon-cum-Attendants), PS (Personal Servant), PPS (Private and Personal Servant) etc. In the US Administration, there is no use of stenography but the Administrative Assistant fully serves the purpose. These Administrative Assistants and his/her boss usually belong to the same cadre but some degree of difference in their level/rank/status is always maintained. In India the matriculate stenographers are allowed to become executives because of some loopholes in the system. Very often they are unable to take effective decisions or implement the policy in the right perspective due to lack of foresight. Sometimes their wrongdoings bring the system to a grinding halt. Our administrative system needs drastic change and people like Mr. Ravi and others will be happy to know that the present Administrative Reforms Commission is wholeheartedly working on this rigid issue. Currently the stenographers are doing sundry jobs that can very well be met through outsourcing till these posts are completely abolished.

Mr.Mohnan,

It is because of like you people the beaurocrates, who only think about themselves. Here I authentically state that now-a-days 98% Stenographers in Government are Graduate, out of which 50% are Post-graduates and in all having proficiency in Computers. In Railways, Stenographers are dealing with all Secret, Confidential, Vigilance, D&AR Files in addition to Secretarial Assitance to their respective officers. You are talking about US Administration and their working. It is because of beaurocrates that till date our country of underdeveloped. If you people think yourself that you are much competent, then why their is "Below Powerty Line" in India. Reason, IAS loby is not competent enough, they only think about themselves. Moreover, Corruption and Red-tapism, this starts from top and not from bottom. If Officers works efficiently and honestly, then, how his subordinate could even think of wrong doings. Therefore, here I must say that IAS (Inefficients allowed to Serve). In fact, IAS are white elephants to the nation,consuming huge government expenditure for their office and house infrastructure. They now-a-days want to work independently without any subordinate because of the fear that no one else could know what malafide they are doing with Government Money. Even after retirement, they want themselves to be in services by one way or the other. What is the authenticity of Commissions set up by the Government, most of them are headed by retired IASs. Because they are paracites.

Earlier our country was called "SONE KI CHIRIA", this is becaue of IAS loby now-a-days we get 1 ltr. water @ Rs.10/-.


Harish Thawani

I also agree with Mr. Ravi and Mr. Mohanan. It's completely a wild goose chase justifying the existence of the stenographers in the modern day administration. Bureaucracy is resistant to change but slow and gradual switching over is not impossible. Right from the head of the executive to the judiciary, everybody feels the urgent need of overhauling of our administrative machinery. Sooner or later, not only the stenographers, but all other employees handling petty jobs shall be outsourced, if not completely abolished. Even some peons are post-graduates and computer literates; this does not mean that they should be entrusted with important public assignments. The pay commission are looking for posts to curb expenditure. I think the commission should consider abolishing/outsourcing these petty posts.

Mr.Purohit,

I agree with Mr.Harish Thawani that IAS (Inefficients allowed to serve). On date Government enhanced the salary of Prisoners of Tihar Jain 4(four) times. People heading government, sitting in the Gole Building, are enjoying lucerative salaries and facilities, without any specific qualification and age limit and are being helped by IAS like their pets. If IASs are that much competent, then why they are sticking to the Government Jobs? Why don't they join Corporate Sector? Only because of available facilites and powers to enjoy conferred by Government (i.e. beaurocrate to beaurocrate) for doing nothing, sitting idle in the luxurious room and waiting for kickbacks.

Paying petty salaries to Class II, III & IV employees that doesn't matters Government, but the huge salary paid to an IAS matters more. The single man (i.e. IAS - Inefficient allowed to serve) getting huge salary(i.e.equals at least 10 employees of Class II,III & IV) and doing nothing, matters the Government. Therefore, I appeal Pay Commission to kindly fix targets for IAS and appoint them on Contract basis (i.e.Package System) for a time bound period like corporate Sector,and, adjudge them accordingly.

You people are now-a-days behaving like "KALE ANGREZ". I hope that you might be aware of history, and the time has come to repeat it.

Rakesh Kumar

Mr.Ravi, Mohanan & Purohit,

Rakesh Kumar is absolutely right. Here I must say an IAS is like a wild goose, who is destroying the roots of the government system like anything, whom everybody is chasing, but no one is able to catch. That is why our country is lacking behind. If Officers doesn't work, how subordinate can work efficiently. That is why the Government decided and posted Desk Officers with their PAs to work independently.

The VIth pay commission should definitely bring all scales of Gp A, B, C & D of all the ministries irrespective of the nature of the job. It is very difficult to define the nature of the job one who is performing what? It depends upon the section to section and the existing workload. Recent announcement of awarding 6500 scale to the Asstts of CSS and Stenographers of CSS in comparison with the Inspectors of Income Tax and Central Excise and Customs w.e.f. 25th Sep 2006 whereas the file has been moved for all types of Gp 'B' employees including External Affairs, Railways and AFHQ cadres whereas at last because of influence by the CSS cadres others were left in lurch which is not justified. The nature of recuritment remains same and the nature of work remains same and sometimes more than their counter-parts of CSS Assts. It seems that he mighty will seize the bread whereas others have to fight the different way. By citing the order of CSS Asstts pay hike, NHRC, NIC, Railway Board and even DDA have hiked their pay at par with the Asstts of CSS whereas the cadres of AFHQ, Extenral Affairs were left in lurch who are over-burdened with their existing work because of ban on further recruitment and no replacement of staff is provided on account of a person's retirement and his work is to be shared among others. This is the real situation. Both CSS Asstts and Asstts of other similar categories are coming under the same pay bracket of Gp 'B' whereas PM has over-ruling the arquments of Finance Ministry accorded pay hikes only to CSS cadres including Stenos. In what way, he has justified this act? For a parent all his sons/daughters are the same. By doing this, our beloved PM has done injustice to the cadres of Extenral Affairs and Armed Forces Headquarters Services which are only cadres left out. Refering their cases to the VIth Pay Commission will not yield any fruitful result which is very clear from the comments of Vth Pay Commission to thrash out solutions like this type of anamoly to the administrative ministries rather than referring the same to the pay commission. Definitely, the VIth Pay commission would take a similar stand. If the Government is not willing to pay to these people who are at par with the cadres of CSS, let them directly reject rather than refering the anomoly to the pay commissions. From this, the intention of the government is very clear that they are not willing to offer anything more by creating the situation that "crying child alone gets milk". In almost all the departments including the Ministries all are really over-burdened with their jobs as new recuritment have almost stopped. It is very difficult to get replacement even one is going out on deputation or study leave or even on maternity leave. Under this situation, the existing staff have to share the work in order to get going the activities of the office without any hindrance. In view of this, the VIth Pay Commmission should definitely address the anomoly of the pay structure of the same recuritment same work culture of their Gp 'B' Staff together and bring them at par with the cadres of CSS Asstts. The Govt has admitted the existence of such anomoly vis-a-vis the Asstts of CSS cadre before the CAT which has delivered the judgement in favour of the Asstts of AFHQ.

Mr. R. Sumumar, I do not understand why the pay scale of an Assistant and a stenographer grade-c should be the same. An assistant is selected through rigorous all India graduate level open competitive exam (forget about the promotees) whereas a stenographer grade-c is selected through a metric level open competition exam and there are no interview for the stenographers. The level of competition and talent required to qualify these exams is definitely not the same. There is also a structural and functional difference between these two cadres. Weighing them with the same balance itself creates an anomaly. That's why Govt. is in dilemma if a matriculate stenographer can be equated with an Inspectors of Income Tax, Central Excise etc. Due to this reason Govt. is only listening to the plea of those who are crying for the milk. Remember, it is for the Assistants that the stenographers in CSS got the same pay scale as that of an Inspector. A stenographer grade-C and an Inspector can never be equals. The Hon'ble Supreme Court has ruled that two unequals can never be equals. Assistant in AFHQ, Railway Board and MEA will get the 6500/- pay scale if they set aside the stenographers from their group. In the CSS also they are fighting to set apart the stenographers from their group. As I understand they have stopped the stenographers from taking section officers exams and now they have challenged the lateral entry of stenographers at the level of under secretary. I would like to know from the esteem readers of this blog about the latest status of this court case. Could anybody help please?

Mr.Sukumar and Latendu,

In my opinion there should be uniforimity in the pay scales, status, yardstic, heirarchy, etc. category-wise within Central Government irrespective of Offices and Place of postings. But here I point out that over Zonal Railways (i.e. Department of Railways) are also denied the scale of Rs.6500-10500 in place of Rs.5500-9000 revised from 25th Sept.,2006. Scale of Rs.6500-10500 is awarded to the Inspectors/analogous posts in Central Board of Direct Taxes/Central Board of Excise & Customs, which are Subordinate Offices, whereas, instead of giving the same scale to Subordinate Offices, with the dextarity of beaurocrates and CSSS' clouts within administration, they got parity with Subordinate Office's scale Rs.5500-9000 replaced as Scale Rs.6500-10500. Moreover, whenever Subordinate Offices asks for parity with their counterparts in CSSS, they straight away deny on the grounds that they are Secretariate.

Here I may mention on, what you opined about Stenographers and Assistants. The Stgenographers over Zonal Railways (98% Graduates) are much competent and qualified than any other Government Departments and even than Ministry of Railways Stenographers and Assistants. Reason, Stenographers over Zonal Railway deals with Secret, Confidential, D&AR, Vigilance, Selections and other Misc. Files in addition to Secretarial Assistance; even accompany their respective Officers on line isnpection, accidents, emergencies in odd hours, etc. In Workshops and Production Units where there is high degree of temperature and noise pollution which is negetive in nature, they work efficiently. This type of working of an specific category (Stenographers) of Railways, like-wise there are several others, Railways able to achieved the record profit of Rs.20,000 crores in 2006-07.

Even then Railway Board (RBSSS)is getting higher pay scales than Zonal Railways' Stenographer, whereas, both are Railway Servants under Rules 103 of Indian Railway Establishment Manual Vol.I. Whereas, Government affirms that there is no discrimination or difference within one section or the other, equal pay for equal work and where there are posts are comparable Scales, Status, Yardstic, Heirarchy, etc. should be same.

Here I must say that Railways is exceptional one, which is linking India on the path of Unity, maintaining Uniformity in diversity, etc. but within Railways (Ministry & Zonal Railways) there is huge discrimination and difference within identical categories.

Zonal Railways' employees especially Stenographers are very low paid employees than any other Central Government or Delhi Government Stenographers or Assistants. Even for benefit of ACPs Zonal Railway Stenographers are supposed to pass Shorthand speed test @100 wpm.

Zonal Railways, where the paradigm shift towards 'Corporate attitude in Managment'and have now become the sole profit making body of Central Government, their employees especially Stenographers are paid extremely lower scales and status than Ministries (including Min. of Rlys) or Central and Delhi Government Offices.

Even than Zonal Railways in nutshel wants there should not be any disparity within Central government Offices, maintain unified Scales without any discrimination in status, yardstic, heirarchy, etc.

Please do not argu on each other, fight for common cause, if you people comment,like you do, Government expects the same and will imply the policy of East India Company'DIVIDE AND RULE'.

BE UNITE AND ASK FOR UNIFORMIATY IN ALL RESPECT.

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In my opinion the stenographers grade-D, C, B & A should be equated with LDCs, UDCs, Assistants and section officers respectively. All the grades of the stenographers should constitute a single non-gazetted subordinate cadre assuring promotions within their own line. The wrong practice of lateral entry of stenographers should be stopped forthwith. About 99 % of the direct recruit LDCs are graduates and post graduates and they are assigned with more important and classified jobs than the silly jobs handled by the stenographers in the zonal railways. The direct recruit LDCs are more competent than the stenographers because of the level of competition in these exams (Compare the figures!).It does not imply that the pay scale of an LDC should be equal to the pay scale of an IAS officer but it surely implies that the pay scale of a stenographer should be equal to the pay scale of an LDC.

What about Doctors????

Non-government sector or government sector either way the doctors are the real sufferers. Take the case of Medical Studies in India, a backward state like orissa claims a whopping 11 Lakhs of Rupees from each student for a four and half years of Medical Studies in any of the three government medical colleges, and while pays a meagre some of only Rs 12000 Per month as salary to the doctors.

Count this, if someone reads medicine by paying 11 Lakhs taking a study loan, after finishing his studies he would need to pay at least twelve thousand rupees every month for next ten years, and in such case, how will the doctor survive, let alone think of saving money for future, who will feed the family???

Is the central government listening and this is not only in Orissa, but every where in the country, and still there has not been any commendable hike in the salary of the doctors. And the scenario is similar in private sector, let alone some hospitals and MNCs who are willing to pay more to the doctors, in most of the cases the doctors are losers.

Is there Hope of any rise in the pay scales of we DOCTORS????

Waiting...

Mr.Pawan Kumar Verma,

You are not aware of the Selection Procedure of Government of India. LDC (Written and 30wpm Typing Speed) and Stenographer (Written, Shorthand Speed Test 80 wpm and Typing 40 wpm) with Interview over Zonal railways. Qualification : Both Matriculate, but stenographers have additional qualification viz. Diploma in Secretarial Practice, Computer Proficiency now-a-days mandatory. Over Zonal Railways LDCs and even in other Ministries of Government of India 80% are from Class IV category, who joined services either by way of Casual Labour or in Class IV from Employment Exchanges.

Stenographers over zonal Railways 100% are direct recruits, out of which 98% are graduates & Post Graduates.Since, last two decades not even a single Clerical/Typists Staff applied for departmental entry in Stenographers' category, because with low qualification and inferior working quality Clerical Cadre over Zonal Railways is getting better pay scales than Stenographers.

LDC viz.(Ministerial Staff) reports to Class III (viz.Superintedent) over Zonal Railwyas and in Ministries Class II (viz.Section Officers), whereas, Stenographers Gr.'D' initial grade reports to Class I Officers; As Class II Officers are not entitled for Stenographers at their intial grade until they become Desk Officers or Under Secretar viz. Senior Scale Officers.

LDC (viz.Ministrial Cadre) only deals with Misce. and General correspondance that even not preparing the papers, just put up the papers on file to the concerned Officers. Whereas, Stenographers deals with Secret, Confidential, D&AR, Vigilance, Misce. Files pertaining to their respective officers in addition to Secretarial Assistance to their respective officers.

I hope now you better understand the difference in Qualification and Working of LDCs(viz. Ministerial Cadre) and Stenographers'D' and, will not give unethical comments regarding Stenographers and their comparison with LDC, UDCs, etc. viz. petty categories.

Please do not comment like layman.

Harish Thawani

Mr.Jyoti Prakash Pattnaik,

Doctors are called 'Bhagwan'. But see the tussle between the Beaurocrate and Politician in the case of AIIMS. Therefore, do not expect anything from your concerned Ministry. As I commented in my earlier mails, beaurocrate should stop buttering and behaving like pets to the Politicians.

In Government Institutes on Government Seats there is no much expendiure to become a Doctror, but in the case of Private Colleges, I do agree.

First of all, Doctors according to their pledge to serve nation, should follow the same and do not leave the country. In my opinion, if all the Doctors working abroad repatriate themselves to India, then not in Government but in Private Organisations they will get more e.g. Dr.Naresh Tirhen.

Doctors should be paid according to their Qualification and Specialisation. That too above all Government Servants.

Hay Harish Thawani,

Stop commenting like this. Nonsense! Your extravagant comments need strongest condemnation. Before expressing anything, I suggest you to remain within your own limits (and be sure, limitations have fixed for every individual in a democratic society).

From where did you derive the figures that about 98 per cent of the stenographers in the GOI are graduates and post-graduates?? As per the actual statistic available with me, more than 78% of the stenographers are undergraduates. It is not important what higher qualification you possesses, but the most important thing is the minimum qualification attached to the post you are holding. According to the qualification and experience required for a post in the GOI, pay scales have been prescribed (not on the basis of maximum graduates..... bullshit!!


And who made you competent to handle classified documents in any GOI establishment? If you read the manual of office procedure thoroughly, you will find that the stenographers are not even authorized to be custodians of any classified document. One needs to be a gazetted officer to do so. The GOI has phased out LDCs and UDCs. So you matriculate stenographers should be made equivalent to LDCs and fill those posts. GOI does not need regularly appointed stenographers any longer. They can be hired and fired whenever required. And this is the step being taken by on the advice of the Administrative Reforms Commission.


Just for your knowledge, a mere matriculation has been prescribed for all grades of the stenographers in the GOI so that they remain subservient and loyal to their masters at all times. Stenographers are supposed to remain as subordinates throughout their service, and even after retirement. They should, at no point of time, be allowed to become masters!!

What provoked you to comment on a doctor? What qualifications do you posses to adjudge a doctor's merit, qualifications, experience etc. and set a benchmark for their pay and perks? Doctors are emigrating because our Govt. is unable to pay them adequately. In a free and liberal society, nobody can impose any restriction on any profession or pursuit. It is their fundamental right.

And finally, how can you address somebody a 'layman'? A man who does not even know the correct spelling of the word "b-----crat" has no right to call others 'laymen'. And I once again warn you not to cross your limitations. You matriculate peon, behave yourself.

I do not understand as to why people are after the academic qualifications only of stenographers why do we forget that they have the professional knowledge of stenography with very good typing skills which many people who start learning stenography give up as they find it really hard to follow and later on enter the government jobs through other exams.

This is also true that nowadays a large majority of the LDCs and Stenographers are graduates but the precise percentage of graduates could be confirmed by the government only and surprising a doctor claims to have the actual data about stenographers’ qualifications. Could this doctor please indicate the source?

Again on what basis does this doctor say that stenographers are not handling the classified papers? If this doctor has any idea about the working of the government department, she should know that without any doubt it is true that stenographers are also handling the classified papers. Any papers coming to office except top secrets are handled by the stenographers and at some stage even the top secrets papers are also handled by them.

This doctor also should know that in the government system, there are no masters and servants. The Indian system is hierarchical. There exist only seniors and juniors. Some are in-charge and some are supporting the system and who is this doctor to suggest that juniors do not have the right to rise in the system, be it a clerk or a stenographer or even a doctor. This should also be known that even the civil servants can not rise in their career if they are not loyal to their seniors. We must care our seniors, be it LDCs, Stenos, doctors or anybody else or even in our personal relationships.

As far as the knowledge of ‘spellings’ is concerned, there are many doctors who do not have good command over spellings and sometime this results in chemists giving wrong medicine to the patients.

The tone and manner of reaction above seems like that of a patient and not a doctor.

If somebody has any problem with the qualification and pay structure of some cadres, it is still time, they should approach the pay commission whose report is still awaited.

I completely disagree with Mr. Prakash Chand. I am a CSS officer and I have never thought of or tried to become a stenographer in my life. In clear terms, I entered Govt. service not because I failed to become a stenographer but I wanted a stenographer to whom I can use as my second wife. All government employees are public SERVANTS because the politicians in power are public nominees and they are the real MASTERS. A stenographer is attached to a public servant to whom powers of the masters are delegated. Therefore for a stenographer her boss is the Master.This is how the Master-Servant equation works in the Govt offices. The zonal railway stenographers are not selected through All-India competition but on zonal competition and very often they enter government service through back doors. Therefore their pay scale should not be equal to the pay scale of the stenographers working in the Railway Board who are selected through All-India level competition. I understand that in the Ministry of External Affairs, these stenographers are taking excessively undue advantage. When a stenographer is posted abroad, the expenditure to the Govt. raises by more than 10 times. Govt. have recently realized the necessity of completely eliminating these posts abroad and hiring locally recruited stenographers if at all required. Similarly in many other Ministries and Departments the stenographers are handling sundry jobs but are paid much more than what they deserve. Nowadays learning typing is mandatory even for an IAS officer. Shorthand is a thing of the medieval period. Hence the posts of stenographers should be converted as typists till these posts are completely abolished.

Mr.Naveen Nanda,

You are not aware of rules of Government of India. I feel sorry for Government of India that like you are working in CSS and dreaming to have a Stenographer to be used as Second Wife. Over Zonal Railways and Railway Board (i.e. Ministry of Railways) Stenographers are appointed through All India Competitive Examination through Railway Recruitment Board. Zonal Railway Stenographers are working within and outside the four walls of the Office. Imagine an Officer giving dictation in running train standing in the Cabine of Engine, who is having one hand free to hold somewhere, but stenographer in one hand Copy and in other Pencil with noisy atmosphere, now tell me whose job is arduous? Moreover, in workshops and Production Units, where there is high degree of temperature and duty hours are more than 14 hours a day, whose job is arduous?

Because of Zonal Railways and their working, Railways beocame able to achieve a record profit of Rs.20,000 crores this year; not because of Railway Board or other Ministries, who are enjoying the bread earned by Railways as Railways is contributing in General Budget, therefore, CSSS, CSS & RBSSS are overhead over Government of India.

Therefore, Zonal Railway calls Railway Board and other CSS & CSSS East India Company who pretend themselves superior because of inferiority complex. Now time has come to repeat the History.

Zonal Railway Stenogaphers' Scales should be higher than CSS, CSSS & RBSSS, and, not equal to them.

Mr.Naveen Nanda,

I completely agree with Mr.Harish Thawani. Further to Mr.Harish, I would like to say that all the Projects, Proposals, Schemes, etc. are initiated from Zonal Railways. Project Report, feasibility, Estimates, etc. prepared over Zonal Railways and Railway Board simply put up the papers to Minister for his Signatures. After approval of Minister, the physical implementation of Project lies with Zonal Railways; now justify whose job is arduous?

Dr.Sushma Nath,

I have presented the facts, but the language used by yourself is not the language of Dr.Sushma Nath.

Hi Guys,

Why r u quarreling? I think there are some factual errors which I would like to point out.

Harish Thawani says "Over Zonal Railways and Railway Board (i.e. Ministry of Railways) Stenographers are appointed through All India Competitive Examination through Railway Recruitment Board" Are the stenographers in the Railway Board selected through RRB (regional) or SSC (All India)?

"Zonal Railway Stenographers are working within and outside the four walls of the Office" - As if the Government of India consists of only the Zonal Railway Stenographers!!! Ha Ha Ha

"Because of Zonal Railways and their working, Railways became able to achieve a record profit of Rs.20,000 crores this year" - As if the Zonal Railway is Mr. Harish Thawani ancestoral property!!

"Imagine an Officer giving dictation in running train ..." Can't an alternate mechanism be devised to avoid the need of a petty stenographer in a running train?

"Because of Zonal Railways and their working, Railways became able to achieve a record profit of Rs.20,000 crores this year; not because of Railway Board or other Ministries, who are enjoying the bread earned by Railways as Railways is contributing in General Budget, therefore, CSSS, CSS & RBSSS are overhead over Government of India" - Ha Ha Ha Ha, how self-centered these poor stenographers are!!

Govt. is unnecessarily paying about two months' salary to these crook and corrupt railway employees. Every public servant is equal in the eyes of the nation. Somebody should challenge and remove this anomaly through a court of law.

Mr. Harish Thawani - if you think yourself competent and claim that you should be paid more for the petty job you are handling, why are you holding a matriculate post? Shorthand is not a qualification but a skill, just like a scavenger needs some skill to perform certain tasks. Don't you think that Govt. is erroneously and unnecessarily paying much more than what you deserve? Ha Ha Ha Ha...

Mr Naveen Nanda, You disagreed with me, did not mention precisely with what and what. The government servants harbouring the thoughts of exploiting their juniors, be it a stenographer (or the personnel from any other cadre) are not deserving candidates to be in the government. Such people deserve strong criticism and need to be kicked out from the government service immediately. Again your belief of politicians as “masters” indicates your mentality that people like you should be subservient to their masters and no wonder such people would like the juniors as well to be subservient to them. I believe such people would compromise anything to achieve success. The ‘master-servant’ terminology used you (there may be many others like you) indicates the arrogance of such government officials. You should not forget that upto Cabinet Secretary (CS) all are Babus in the system, the CS being the topmost. People like you use such terminology to please your seniors, this is nothing but the sycophancy. Remember when the civil services enter the service, they want to serve their country but soon some like you want to be masters. Where does this feeling/arrogance come from? Perhaps as “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”, so the people in position may expect their juniors to use such terminology as masters-servant, but I do not think many people will accept it. This is again biased to imply that if a steno is posted abroad, only he is a liability expenditure-wise, perhaps Mr Nanda is far away from reality. It looks like he is concentrating on poor stenos only. Have you done any survey on other category of officials also? In other Departments/Ministries, do you know that the stenos are doing not only the secretarial work, which is not restricted to stenography only, but also many other important responsibilities are also given to these officials so that the officers get undisturbed quality time to concentrate on work of higher importance? This is true that in this computer age the reliance on stenos is reducing but it cannot be done away with totally. You would know practically how many officers are doing all their typing jobs themselves and upto what rank. Have you ever though that a civil servant acquires the rank of a joint secretary (5 steps of promotion without any examination after entry) and an assistant is able to get only one promotion in 15 to 20 years. They always try to reduce lower rank posts in order to keep their speedy promotion avenues. Have you ever thought about such gross injustice to the lower cadre officials?

revised adhoc bonus Rs.2500 to Rs. 3500 central governement emplyees non productivity all department 30 days.

Now I understand why these stenographers have imbalanced personality. Sometimes they behave like the deputy of their bosses and at times they think that they themselves are the real officers. After scrapping the posts of LDCs and UDCs from the Govt. of India offices, the Pay Commission should also identify and recommend scrapping the posts of stenographers from all the Govt. offices. This way a lot of matching savings can be achieved.

Its really dishearting that no one is talking about defence personnels pay, He deals will all sorts of rigors and risks so that rest of the country sleeps peacefully at night, they are payed so less that they have to struggle to lead a decent life, unlike earlier times a soldier in armed forces was either school dropout or a matriculate but now they are as educated as any one else, we are hearing lot of complain regarding civil services talent losing out to private sector, in defence too particularly in IAF the same trend exists. talent in the sergent and below category,thousands are leaving affected by the stagnant career and no growth , so much that the IAF have stopped /curtailed discharges in certain trades. These things over a period of time start to affect the morale. let hope the govt wakes up and does the needful

Now a days every cat and dog holds a university degree! So everybody employed with any organised sector is bound to be an educated person. The Govt. of India and the State Govt.s really do not need any talented babus but they need competent workers to run the machinery. Talent is required at the political level, where effective decisions and framing of programmes and policies based on the demands of the society, do take place. The babus are just semi-skilled or unskilled workers. The highly skilled and skilled personnel jump over to the private sector that functions exclusively on a motive to make profit. The head of any private organization is not selected or elected by the people. Therefore truly talented persons are required in the private sector.

Unfortunately, no one has a suggestion to make - from where can the Govt. meet the extra financial burden to implement the revised pay scales? As a pecuniary measure the fifth pay commission had suggested to curb the posts at all levels by 30% so as keep the unplanned expenditure at a comfortable level. This time too they should suggest not only to curb a certain proportion of posts at all levels, but to identify and abolish certain redundant departments (like directorate of field publicity) and abolish certain posts like drivers and stenographers. These posts can be filled on contractual basis whenever required. The Ministry of External Affairs sends the peons, drivers, clerks and other under-metric and metric level personnel to serve abroad. This not only tarnishes our image abroad but increases expenditure manifold. These posts can be hired and fired locally and a lot of expenditure can be curbed. Similarly, in many other non-productive organisations, Govt. is rearing many white elephants just to keep the organisation run on records. These organisations can be identified through a comprehensive study and abolished forthwith. The existing employees can be shifted to other productive organisations like Income Tax Department where there is an acute shortage of workers.

The defence and security of the nation comes first. Nobody should have a second thought about increasing the salary of the armed forces personnel to the maximum possible extent. Hopefully the present pay commission is giving ample weightage to the armed forces personnel and the families of those who have lost their lives for the cause of the nation. Jai Hind!!

Any body wants to comment on "Stenographers" first of all they must know the duties what they are performing in their respective offices. Not only they are doing official, but also they are doing much more than Ministerial staff. And all must know that "A STENOGRAPHER can do the clerical work BUT a Clerk cannot do the work OF STENOGRAPHER OR TYPIST" Really they are worthful and workable to the officers. I really appriciate and recommend to the 6th pay commission, "Stenographers and also Typists" of Central Government particularly in Indian Railway Adminsitration. On the basis of the above and I appeal to the 6th pay commission to look into the matter parctically and given much benefits to the above two categories in promotions and revised pay structures.

all international figures are indian technocrats.there is not a single ias/ics regarded as international assets.technocrats are willingly not going towards civil service.they do not want to be called babu.our policies are modified on the basis of global change.then why engineers in general civil service technical are not given better pay and status than ias babus.ias babus define themselves as the best talents of the society.there should be open compeatition at all levels of the hirarchy.chief secy level officer can never compeat with gm/md level officer of tata.

All stenographers (Grade A to Z) should be redesignated as Typists and their pay scales should be equal to the pay scales of any other metric level staff. No metric-level official should be allowed to become a gazetted officer at any point during his/her lifetime.

Any English knowing person, who does not enjoy public support but has a mandate to be paid regularly irrespective of any productive work done or not, and has conceived the superiority complex of being something unique in the society, be it civil or defence, is called a 'Babu' or a 'Baboo'. How can these technocrats be different from the ordinary Babus/Baboos?

Mr Shiv Parshad Das

You mean to say that the clerks also should not become gazetted officers in their career of 30 to 35 years? Do you imply that the persons having matriculate level education cannot improve their skills while in service? Only the persons with graduation or higher education have the ability to do so? I am sure you would be knowing that the civil servants(IAS/IPS/IFS, etc) with a minimum required qualification of a graduation are getting 6 to 7 stages of promotion in their career that too without any examinations after entry; generally, all the civil servants get 4 promotions upto a Director on completion of 13/14 years of service.

Matriculation certificate was considered as a 'degree' until the end of the British era. Now as somebody has rightly commented "every cat and dog holds a university degree". Allowing the matric-level employees to become gazetted officers at this period of time is really a curse of the contemporary society. These employees should be allowed in their career progression through ACP or promotions but should not be made gazetted officers at any point of their time. Even most of the university professors are not gazetted officers. How come a matric-level employee be made gazetted? This anomaly should be challenged in a court of law and removed. The initial recruitment through which a person enters the public service should be the yardstick for career progression.

Well,ket us get thing clear oit of our minds of AIS officers sleeping in A.C. rooms and sipping coffee when they wake up.Try working as a senior cop in a Naxal affected area where you do LRPs of over a 100 km every week or try feeling the heat of a rampaging mob of rioters.The first 15 years as an AIS officer are spent in the harsh environs of what is called the district experience.
The comparison with the corporate sector is romantic at best as they are virtually unaccountable to the masses.And how do you monetise intangible services like the police.What for instance is the 'incentive' on offer to a constable who prevents a riot from flaring up.Are we prepared to pay hom even 1% of the crores of rupees of property that he might have potentially saved Not all things can be monetised,decent remuneration is the least we can offer.

it is surprising that all have thier own flute to play but noone is really speaking up for central employees as a whole..in bygone days a primary teacher was also looked upto with respect cause he would command that by his conduct , similarly other form of work ethics like punctuality and honesty did exist..those ironically may have been days of british raj or its after-effetcs...
ironically again, though a democratic nation, the pride of govt emplyees have been taken away by reducing them to status of lapdog/guard-dog..with the pride and esteem dwindling with tretment meted out like that of dirt and accentuated by dwindling pay in the post economic liberalisation phase of nation ever increasing the rift between govt and corporate sector, the nation is set on a precipice..then we complaint of poor quality of govt work and inefficiency..to have a strong and rising nation, it must have a competent govt work-force coupled with robust economy..any nation which doesnt balance this is set for disaster..Pay commission may identify this and help in its own way..
i am a defence officer and also believe, not because i am one within the forces, because also as a citizen that any NATION WHICH DOESNT RESPECT ITS WOMEN AND RESPECT ITS SOLDIERS is bound to doom sooner or later.. soldiering as an art/profession cant be reduced to beggary, which is what as of today has actually become..countries like britain have their princes joining the armed forces, but which president or PM or MP or MLA or a comman man would allow his son to join defence forces...i believe that the people are intelligent and sensible enough to see things in the right perspective..

We must have UNIFIED SERVICE for the united India. Then a Assistant in the Ministry can also go to University, say JNU to teach his subject of choice. No matter if he has not studied the subject earlier ever, he can prepare some powerpoint by virtue of his rich experience of dealing with the files, and in one comment I read that Assistant gives vigorous examination like prelim and main to get the grade of 5500-10500. Therefore he is very intelligent also. I have known two IAS officers who had worked as District Magistrates after promoted from State Services and were appointed Vice Chancellors. If a Class II (group B) initial recruit can become Vice Chancellor, why not an Assistant of say three years service a Assistant Professor?

Above comment by Surindera Pathodithamman

If Assistants are allowed to become Assistant Professors in JNU then probably the elephants would try to fly in the sky!!

Ha Ha Ha Ha

Ref. above comment of "rajendra"


Quote:
"i am a defence officer and also believe, not because i am one within the forces, because also as a citizen that any NATION WHICH DOESNT RESPECT ITS WOMEN AND RESPECT ITS SOLDIERS is bound to doom sooner or later.. "


From the above remark, it gives the meaning that any nation which does not respect its women and soldiers is bund to doom. Mr rajendra, do you mean, soldiers are not worthy of respect? I disagree.


You are right that nowadays big leaders (President, PM, MP, MLA, etc) or big businessmen's wards do not join the defence forces but as for commonman, i disagree, many a commonman have been and are joining the defence forces. And also the case of Britain's princes joining the forces is entirely different case - you would recall that very recently Princess William was not permitted to serve in Iraq, though in defence force. I do not think this kind of thing happens in India.


I also believe that teaching is still a respectable profession and many sincere, hardworking teaching still command respect and also that there are still many many people are disciplined, punctual, sincere, etc.


Also it is true everyone is playing his flute as there is SPC to play the flute for all the cadres. I feel you are also trying put up the case for defence personnel.

It is evident from the above post that Pramod is a matriculate peon!! Has anybody any doubts?

Ref Ms Anjali Gupta

Seems you have sent above remarks in the name of "rajendra" otherwise how could you agree with Rajendra that any nation which respects its soldiers is bound to doom. Also how could you agree teachers were respected only in the past and not now. You would agree that India is growing fast because the knolwedge, discipline, sincerity, etc. I am sure our country is going to be prosperous in the years to come. Also, perhaps you are not aware that Prince William was not permitted to join British force in Iraq earlier this year as it was considered to be big target by the terrorist groups operating in Iraq.

Perhaps I may be matriculate peon, if that is so, I am proud to be one but you also have not shown any wisdom by not criticising/rectifying a particular error in the above post. This way, looks like you are not even a matriculate.

Pramod

It seems your parents have not taught you grammar. There is a definite error in the sentence written by somebody (be assured it's not me) and the word "AND" should have been written as "OR" to reflect the correct sense of the author. But your hodgepodge that it gives a wrong sense should have some meaning had it been written as "BUT". Confused? If you read between the lines the gentleman tries to express something very logical and reasoning. Are you preparing for the LDCs LDE for better pay scale? If so, go and join a coaching centre. Else, do not try to comment on each and every post as you do not have that acumen. you could be a subordinate servant, probably a steno-typist (popularly known as a matriculate peon) attached to an officer. Aren't I correct? Your master is there to think and ponder; your duty is to fulfil his desires....

Anjali Gupta


Dear under-training Grammar Teacher,


First of all, this is what you have learnt from your parents that whenever you disagree with somebody, you should bring parents in the fray. This is really in bad taste.


English language – I suggest instead of thinking that you have become proficient enough to teach the language, you should still learn more and then try to become a teacher as you should be able to see yourself that in spite of substituting “AND” with “OR”, the sentence still conveys the same. Take my suggestion; try removing the second “RESPECT” from the sentence, which was not necessary rather it gives the negative meaning.


“Aren't I correct?” – Where did you learn this kind of English that you have started thinking to teach English? Should it not have been “Am I not correct?”


It also looks like you are still living in the colonial era, believing in the master-servant theory; this is the problem with today’s bureaucratic babus (give whatever designations, they are ultimately the babus, is it not correct?). Somebody in one of the above posts wanted to make his secretarial staff as ‘second wife’, now it looks like the same colleagues (matriculate peons) could be used/exploited “to fulfil all the desires…..”

Ha Ha Ha Ha - Ms. Anjali - you have very cleverly trapped this guy. I was expecting such a reaction from this over smart guy. Now it is proved beyond doubt that Pramod is a peon.... trying to teach English..... So funny!! I am really sympathetic to him!! Ha Ha Ha Ha .... SPC should really consider the pleas of these matriculate peons and increase their pay by at least 10 times, besides giving green signals to them to ride upto the level of cabinet secretary!!

This chap Pramod is not his real name but he has been posting several biased comments in various names. I have collected some personal info about him through some reliable sources. I am going to contact the Chairman of the Railway Board and request him to hunt this guy and hook him under CSS Conduct Rules. Comrades, just relax. This harry is definitely going to be caught. Just wait and watch.

I have advised Pramod to take the threat seriously and quit this site as undoubtedly bureaucracy is really powerful in our country, has a long reach, and is capable of doing anything by using all the resources at its disposal. A person having the access upto Chairman, Railway Board can do anything by using the clout. But Dr Sushma Nath, you should also consider and warn those spoiling this blog by using words like “second wife”; “you matriculate”, “matriculate peons”; “servants”; “your duty is to fulfil his desires....”, etc, which seem to have been ignored. Even Ha Ha Ha Ha seems to be ridiculing somebody. I do not think that you take such expressions lightly. Thanks and bye

what are the revised AICTE pay scales of a Professor? If anyone knows, please inform through this site

Please send the proposed sixth pay commission report on my Email address.

Please send the proposed sixth pay commission report on my Email address.

plz send proposed sixth pay commission report on my email address

May ram rajya prevail soon in this country

Respected Comission officer,
Under 6 th pay commission, the Judges should think about Pay of storekeeper of Technical stores in central/Undertaking Govt. sectors having graduate qualification with Diploma and PG diploma in Material management and deals with stores of above 5 crores value.
There is no doubt, the store is back bone in any organisation.
Storekeeper pay structure should be same as Librarian.
N.K.MISHRA

Why respond to the banter from a stenographer? Is it worth a response?

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what are the anticipated scales of clerks in the army. e-mail to me at vvikram3890@yahoo.co.in or at vijay4eever@gmail.com

HELLO TO EVERYBODY,OUT

I AM ANAND, GONE THROUGH ALL YOUR VIEWS, IT SEEMS NOT BODY IS HAPPY WITH THE NEWS COMING
OUT THESE DAYS AS THE GOVT IS ON THE VEGE TO GIVE DECISION I WOULD LIKE TO ASK TO EVERY BODY IN THIS BLOG COLUM HOW MUCH YOU PEOPLE WILL BE SATISFIED WITH THE PAY COMMISSION WILL THE PAY COMMISSION BE JUSTIFIED AND IF NOT ARE WE GOING TO LEAVE THE SERVICES OR FIGHT AGAINNST IT, YOU PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE HEARD THE SLOGAN " APNE NETA KA CHUNAV KHUD KAREN" PAAR KESA NETA LIKE THOSE WHO ARE AVAILABLE NOW IF THEY WILL BE THERE NEITHER A GOOD GOVT NOR A GOOD WORK CULTURE OR A HANDSOME PAY WILL BE SEEN BY US TILL THE END OF OUR LIFE.

WHY I AM TELLLING SO, AFTER GETTING FAD UO WITH MY SERVICE, SORRY I FORGOT TO TELL U I AM IN DEFENCE SERVICES, IN THE SOLDIERS AND WORK IN RADARS, AS PART OF A SOFSATICATED SYSTEM AND SECRET SERVICES I SHOULD BE PAID A HANDSOME SALARY BUT I AM NOT PAID SO, THEN I DECIDED TO THE LEAVE THE SERVICE; BUT I AM BONDED FOR 20 YEARS AS THE LABOUR LAW SAY NO BIDY CAN BE BONDED FOR A PERIOD OF MORE THAN 10 YEARS I AM STILL BONDED AS IT IS DEFENCE POLICY, THEN I TRIED FOR MY RELEASE FROM SERVICE THROUGH A DIFFERNT WAY THEN ALSO I WAS NOT RELEASED NOW AFTER COMPLETING 10+ YEARS OF SEVICES IF AFTER THIS PAY COMMISION I AM NOT GETTING A HANDSOME PAY AND AM NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE THE SERVICE WHAT I CAN DO LEFT IS EITHER RUN AWAY OR SLAP SOMEBODY, I MEAN TO SAY SO SOME INDECSENCY I LL BE LEFT WITH SHEER NONSENSE CAN NE BODY SUGGEST ME WHAT TO DO WITH THIS SERVICE

THANKS FOR READING KINDLY COMMENT ON THIS

Sir,

Please send the VIth pay commission report to be submitted to Government of india at the arliest to my email.

Thanking you,

Respected Sir,
The clerical category in Govt department is being used for different tecnical psots just like in IT departments of the unit without any compensation or as Library Incharge, in catering dept or some other such departments where no such technical staff is available but they are not being consider for any monetry benifits.

In clerical dept kins of govt servents whom are not qualified are being posted and they remains the burden or their work is to be done by the qualified staff but they got the permotion by their turn, as such the qualified staff remains over burdend without any extra payment and they have to phase more D&AR action as they work more.

Third the expirenced seinor staff in every cadre get less salary copare to group A&B staff who have no experince only they depends on senior staff.
all the legal matters are being chesed by the concerned staff but benifits goes to officers and payments goes to advocates and punishments goes to group c staff.
I hope the Vith pc will consider these points befor finalisation of scales

please send the 6th pay commission complete Report for Deptt of science &Tecnology(Survey of India)of All Gp.A,b,c,d staff as soon as possible.

Stenographers are fully responsible for any type of work in Govt/ Semi govt.office. He/ Her close touch with office rules and regulation and responsible for any doubt clear to his/ her officer. But pay commission structure stenographers salary is very low and treated as below the rank of one Lower Division Clerk. this is shame of our service rule. Please send Pay structure of Stenographers and promotion scope of stenographers to my e-mail address please

What are the anticipated vith pay commission scales to Clerical staff and send me to my email. My email address is venkateswararao_meka at the earliest.

Thanking you

Pay commission want to Concerted the low level employees like drainage cleaner, street cleaner and specially for the employees who get salary below Rs-1, 00,000/- per annum. Hick of the salary is additional income or surplus to higher income person but hick of salary to below level employees is essential I think all the people have same mind in this matter.

Pay commission want to Concerted specially for the employees who get salary below Rs-1, 00,000/- per annum. Hick of the salary is additional income or surplus to higher income person but hick of salary to below level employees is essential I think all the people have same mind in this matter.

HI,
I think stenographers r more capable than LDC,UDC & Assistants. They do more labours, qualify dictation tests at the speed of 120 wpm, that is not so easy. Even after then qualify SO's competitive examination out of his actual line. And after that they don't get their genuine and deserving right. Is it not a celar cut particiality
Is it right????

HI,
I think stenographers r more capable than LDC,UDC & Assistants. They do more labours, qualify dictation tests at the speed of 120 wpm, that is not so easy. Even after then qualify SO's competitive examination out of his actual line. And after that they don't get their genuine and deserving right. Is it not a celar cut particiality
Is it right????

Even PS and SO r also equal, But So get his promotion as US and PS don't get, even after qualify the same examination????
Why?????

there should be the opportunity to be Under Secretary for Private Secretary (Who promoted after qualifying the Section Officer's/PS's competitive examination.
Commission should take it very seriously.

Respected Sir,
I want to mention here that the fourth class employee of Indian Oil Corporation get 1 lakh Rupees as a Bonus in a year. As a gazetted officer in central govt. gets NIL as a bonus. Why there is a difference?
When a PSU works under a particular ministry/deptt. of govt of india then how PSU employees can get more salary than ministry/deptts. of Govt of India??
Please take this also into consideration.

I am a government employeeworking under the scale of
6500-200-10500 as per Vth pay commission.
Please inform me my latest corresponding VIth
pay commisssion"s pay. I am an engineering assistant working in govt sector.

sixth pay commission is justlike wating for (BANBAS OF RAM) so what is report of sixth pay commision .every body waiting some person is retired and some person get ready.

gr a officers selected through upsc as technical expert i.e asst director gr 1 having b.tech degree {in msme} should not accept scale and status less than ias of corresponding batch.in msme we have proved ourself second to none in developmental activities as well as administrative activitiers

I am a group-B officer under central government and working in the scale of
7500-250-12000 as per Vth pay commission.
Please inform me my latest corresponding VIth
pay commisssion"s pay.

I am a group B (NG) officer in central government. Please inform me my latest corresponding VIth Pay commission's pay.

Please also inform me the corresponding scale of those who are in scale of 6500-10000 as per vth pay commission.

please inform me the corresponding vith pay commission scale of LDC

please inform me the corresponding vith pay commission scale of LDC

After much struggle in the defence and serving the country when one opts out after completion on their initial years of engagement one is surprised to find that the corporate world rejects the applications of the ex-servicemen who are hardly in the age group of 40 saying that they are overaged.
This attitude of the civil organization is not on.The government should have a stringent policy which should compel the companies to have some ex-servicemen quota reserved and also the age relaxation should be given to them when they apply for jobs.

We were expecting the SIXTH CPC to submit report by December 2007. No interim relief declared so far. All Govt staff are eagerly waiting for the report. We Govt staff have to wait for a long period of 10 yrs for a wage revision. Therefore report should be submitted immediately and there must be a substantial improvement in scales.
Pradeep

We were expecting the SIXTH CPC to submit report by December 2007. No interim relief declared so far. All Govt staff are eagerly waiting for the report. We Govt staff have to wait for a long period of 10 yrs for a wage revision. Therefore report should be submitted immediately and there must be a substantial improvement in scales.
Further my suggestion is that the system of introducing pay commissions after a long gap of 10 yrs should be discontinued and a Permanent wage revision board should be constituted, to find a long standing solution.

I expeted that 6 pay commission will be vied seriously about the foureman cadre. In 5 th pay commisssion they are not given the proper justice to the Foreman cadre in Defence civiian Officer of Gr 'B ' cadre. We are also equally worked with or more than that of Group A Officer.
Now there is hoping rays from 6th Pay commission.

Sir,
The VIth pay commission has submitted the report to Finance Minister on 24.03.2008. If you have any news available the same may please be forwarded to my email.

Thanking you

Dr. Sushma Nath,

Why you hate Matriculation Stenographers so much? Are you a practicing Doctor? If you did not like comments posted by Mr. Pramod, just keep away from them as gentleman. What right you had to enquire about the whereabouts of a person commenting upon through the site? Do not hunt down the person with your influence in the Railway Board & Government and also you have no right to invoke disciplinary proceedings against a person for a silly comment like this. Please remember that 'Right to Expression' is a fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution. Also remember that you also can be hunted down by an illiterate local politician from any of the northern states.

Ms. Anjali Gupta was responding in a most heinous manner to a comment, which, in no way, relates to her. Unncessarily she insulted the parents of Mr. Pramod, his educational qualification etc. who may be coming from a poor family. You Doctor (?)also supported her by your arrogant comments referred above. If she felt that English language of the persons sending comments in this site are not up-to the mark, she is welcome to start a coaching class for them, which may help a lot of people to learn the language up to the satisfaction of Anjali Gupta & you Doctor(?)

All of your comments are in a bloody arogant language, raising the blood pressure of the reader. Be a civilized person and maintain the standards of a Doctor. If you feel angry towards a comment, just count from 01 to 100.

Dr. Sushma Nath,

Why you hate Matriculation Stenographers so much? Are you a practicing Doctor? If you did not like comments posted by Mr. Pramod, just keep away from them as gentleman. What right you had to enquire about the whereabouts of a person commenting upon through the site? Do not hunt down the person with your influence in the Railway Board & Government and also you have no right to invoke disciplinary proceedings against a person for a silly comment like this. Please remember that 'Right to Expression' is a fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution. Also remember that you also can be hunted down by an illiterate local politician from any of the northern states.

Ms. Anjali Gupta was responding in a most heinous manner to a comment, which, in no way, relates to her. Unncessarily she insulted the parents of Mr. Pramod, his educational qualification etc. who may be coming from a poor family. You Doctor (?)also supported her by your arrogant comments referred above. If she felt that English language of the persons sending comments in this site are not up-to the mark, she is welcome to start a coaching class for them, which may help a lot of people to learn the language up to the satisfaction of Anjali Gupta & you Doctor(?)

All of your comments are in a bloody arogant language, raising the blood pressure of the reader. Be a civilized person and maintain the standards of a Doctor. If you feel angry towards a comment, just count from 01 to 100.

Respected Sir
I retired on 28th Feb 1995. I was in the grade of Rs 7300-7600 drawing Rs 7600. at that time Secretary as drawing Rs. 8000/- fixed. In the pay commission of 1994 implemented in 1995 after my retirement, my grade was revised to Re 22400 to 24000 while secretary’s pay was revised to Rs 26000/- fixed. Govt of India issued orders that those retired earlier will draw pension at half of the minimum of the revised scale and accordingly my pension was fixed at Rs 11200/-
Now the grade is revised to Rs 39,200/- - 67,000/-
If the same rule is applied I shall draw pension half of Rs 39,200/- i.e. Rs 19,600/-
The secretary’s grade now is fixed t Rs 80,000/- i.e. ten times what be was drawing when I retired. Logically my grade should also have been Rs 73000/- Rs 76000/- as inflation is same for every one. As per current rule I would have drawn pension half of Rs 73000/- i.e. Rs 36500/- instead I would be drawing only Rs 19,600/- as pension which is practically ¼ th of the logical grade. Only persons of 100 years of age will draw legitimate pension as per new rules providing 100% enhancement.
Was this the intention of the govt. when it appointed the pay commission or this is the result of justice accorded by an Ex Supreme court judge.
To day after12 years of retirement if this is the justice accorded by Govt to those for whom law is being made for children to look after them -what more mockery it would be.
The above observation are based on media reports and are meant for the three pillars of administration viz Legislature, Judiciary and Executive to see how fair is our Governance.

Why central Govt. Employees are 10 yrs. BACK in comparison to Employees of Banking Sector & LIC of India ? As Junior Clerk of Bank is getting the maximum increment of Rs.970/- in comparison to present increment of Jr. clerk of Central Govt. i.e. Rs.75/- in Vth PC & Rs.207/- only in VIth PC. If the pay sacles of Banking/LIC will be revied from due date i.e.from 01.11.2007 (every five year), the increment of Jr.Clerk will reach at least Rs.1500 to Rs.2000 ?
Can we compare with two different Govt. Employees increment ? What is the JUSTICE ? Whether Govt. will think about this enomalies or injustice? We are back to 10 years against Bank & LIC.

This is reg SIXTH PAY COMMISSION STEPS TO REDUCE GOVT EXPENDITURE IN RLY DEPTT ... views of j k sinha :
I Really admire you for your indeoth study of Rlys. I agree that the times have changed and similarly the govt's policies. We really can't quamtify the work being generated by the staff working in Railways. Your suggetions are should be taken in right spirit by the bosses of both Personnel and Finance depts. But , today the quality of such bosses has been so low like the work of stenows. Why to blame stenows if they are not given work.?

THE OBSERVATIONS ON THE 6TH PAY COMMISSION REPORT.
The observations given here under are the barest minimum. In fact, such observations should be circulated through internet and media and more observations should be invited directly from the defense services officers, retired ones, luminaries, eligible candidates and public. Also, the matter of huge deficiency of officers in defense services should be frequently investigated by the public, the Govt. as well as various agencies as to why the real talent is not coming forward to join defense services, rather than going for IAS and private services. There is lot to be done for the defense services and retired soldiers. It is most important for the Govt., the Prime Minister, Defense Minister, Finance Minister, the entire Cabinet of Minister, Parliamentarians and all politicians to ponder over the matter and take immediate steps in the matter. It is rather in the best interest of the nation and its security to give better deal to the defense officers in comparison to any other civil services officers to attract the real talent thereby assist in making up huge deficiency of officers. By doing so, the morale of all the services will be kept high if their own and their families present and future is fully secured.
The following need to be looked into and action taken as sugested:-
1. Giving increments at the rate of 2.5% is much less than what was recommended and given by earlier Pay Commissions and Govt. It must be minimum 5%.
2. Recommending variable increments to the officers is absolutely uncalled for. Rather, it is going to be very difficult to decide to whom to give and to whom not to give this type of variable increment. Such a system must not be thought of for such senior officers who fall in the category of PB3. In fact it seems that such senior officers are not putting their best efforts in discharging their duties, rather, they are doubted to be shirkers. Further, this system will give a handle to the authorities to do favouritism to some and may result in heart burning to others who are not given this type of increment.
3. It may be understood that the service conditions of the defense personnel are highly precarious, rough, tough, hard, grueling, arduous, ruthless, strenuous, severe, brutal, vigorous, rigorous, exhausting, backbreaking, troublesome, horrifying, scary, petrifying, risky, terrifying, frightening, harsh, perilous, death-defying, dangerous, hard-hitting, insecure, hazardous, treacherous, terrorizing, and unsafe. It is due to these service conditions, the real talents do not come forward to join the defense services and the present huge deficiency which is prevailing since decades, will never be made up and the present huge deficiency will never be made up unless necessary steps in giving attractive pay, allowances, perks and benefits in various forms are given during their service as well as after retirement.
4. Further, it is brought out that in addition to unfavourable service conditions of defense personnel; a wide disparity exists between civil services officers and defense services officers. In fact, it is due to this disparity also, the real talents do not come forward. This disparity can only be removed by giving them the higher pay to defense officers and PBOR commensurately to their counterparts and prevailing service conditions.
5. To elaborate the disparity, it may be seen that initially, an IAS officer and Defense service officer start on equal footings so far their salary is concerned. But after a year or so, an IAS officer is promoted to the post of under secretary which is equivalent to the rank of a Major or equivalent ranks in other wings of defense forces; where as, the officers in defense services attain the rank of a major after seven years. As such, just after a year, a wide gap is created in the salary of an under secretary and an officer of the rank of major and equivalent ranks in the defense forces. Due to quick promotions for all the civil services officers and inordinately delayed promotions in defense services, this disparity keep increasing and persists till the rank of Brigadier/Major General. This is highly demoralizing and needs to be removed urgently.
6. It may be well understood that all the facts of unfavourable service conditions as brought out at item 3 above and pay and perks what the defense officers get are well known to the public and eligible candidates, because of which just a few ones are attracted towards defense services. It is because these reasons, a huge deficiency of officers has been existing in all the wings of defense services since decades. It is still high time that the Govt. must find some way out to eliminate this disparity at least in giving better and attractive pay and perks to the defense services officers. Rather, the defense services officers must be paid commensurate to their job and their miserable service conditions. If the requirement is looked into adequately, this will prove in the best interest of the nation and its security. The only way out to solve the problem of huge deficiency of officers is to give suitably and adequately better edge to them that will attract the talent.
7. To remove of the disparity, Military Service Pay is one of the measures, the 6th Pay Commission has thought of. However, giving the single/fixed Military Service Pay (MSP) from Lt. to Brigadier is absolutely uncalled for. It is not correct to recommend the same MSP for the junior most officer and the most senior officer. Presumably the commission could not seem to have appreciated the factual requirement due to the fact that there was no service officer as a member of the commission to advise them on the matter.
8. Even otherwise, recommending Rs. 6000/- as MSP is too meager and negligible even for the officers of the rank of Lt. The minimum MSP for the Lt should be Rs. 12000/- and for brigadier, it must be Rs. 22000/-. There should be an increase of Rs. 2000/- for each higher rank from Lt to Brigadier.
9. The MSP must be paid with effect from the date of implementation of the Pay Commission report as is being done in the cases of all other allowances.
10. The MSP must be included for giving increments and also the MSP should be increased periodically.
11. Another disparity and discrimination is that the period of training of defense services officers and PBOR is not counted for their promotions, pension or any other purposes, nor they are given their full pay and allowances of the training period; where as in the case of all the civil services officers and other employees of Central Govt. as well State Govt. too, when they do the training the entire period of their training is being counted for pension, seniority for promotion, and all other purposes as well as they are paid their for their full pay, allowances of the training period. This too is a clear disparity and discrimination. The seniority of the defense services officers and PBOR should be accounted for from the day they join the service in the training institute and full pay and allowances as well other facilities should be paid/provided to them as is being done in the case of all the civil services employees.
12. The DA should be entitled on all the allowances or all the allowances should be automatically doubled after every five years.
13. The lateral shifting of defense personnel should be permissible for all officers and PBOR, irrespective of type of entry/commissioning in service and minimum/maximum service. This is more important for the officers who cease to get further promotions. However, the lateral shifting should be optional.
14. Low Medical category officers and PBOR should be permitted for lateral shifting, but it should be optional.
15. The lateral shifting should be permitted in all civil services including IAS, IPS or any others services including Judiciary, provided required qualifications for the posts are met.
16. The defense officers are given just three chances for getting selection grade promotions which is a great injustice to them. Rather, they should be considered for promotions as is being done in case of civil services officers. Alternatively, they should be latterly shifted if it is so opted by them.
17. Some posts should be reserved for defense officers and PBOR for lateral shifting in state govt. services too.
18. The kit maintenance allowance of present Rs. 7000/- for defense services officers is recommended to be doubled i.e. 14000/-. Taking into consideration the present price index, it is absolutely insufficient. Will the Pay Commission or the Govt. answer “Does the price index get doubled in ten years?” If it is not so, why justice is not being met to the defense officers? It may be noted that the initial cost of all the items of uniforms as on date is not less than Rs. 70000/-. However, if the Govt. cannot afford to give Rs. 70000/-, it must not be less than Rs. 50000/-. Further, most of the items of uniforms have to be replaced after 6 months to one year. Hence, the renewal grant should be raised minimum to Rs. 25000/- and be given after every three years.
19. It is mentioned that there are large number of uniform items of officers, which are required to be maintained to keep a high standard of the soldiers. The Pay Commission has recommended to double the monthly kit maintenance allowance of officers, which presently is Rs. 200/- only. This allowance is too meager. The monthly kit maintenance allowance should be minimum Rs. 1000/-
20. Likewise as explained above, doubling of all allowances after ten years is highly illogical. The allowances should be increased commensurate to the price index in ten years. Rather, all the allowances should be increased periodically/more frequently.
21. There should be no restriction to travel by govt. agencies nor any permission to travel by any such agency be made mandatory in all cases of defense personnel, especially when they have to travel during their transfers/postings, temporary duties, courses or leave. However, if any one travels by any mode other than the govt. agency, including, air, rail, road; he should be permitted to claim re-imbursement as per the fare of his entitlement of the mode or actual expenditure incurred, whatever is less.
22. Fitment formula for fixation of pay and pension of all the defense personnel should be minimum 60% that too after adding DP, and DA in the existing basic pay as on the date of implementation of the Pay Commission report for all employees which will assist in removing the disparity up to some extent.
23. The disability pension must be given irrespective of percentage of the disability, only if the disability is attributable to military service.
24. In case of low medical category, all defense services officers and PBOR should be considered for all promotions. In case, this suggestion cannot be accepted, all the effected personnel should be laterally shifted, but only if it is so opted by them.
25. All defense personnel be considered for foreign postings even in case any eligible officers or PBOR are placed in low medical category if the disability due to low medical category is less than 50%.
26. The higher rate of pension should be given to all the defense services personnel starting from the age of 65 years and be enhanced after an interval of every five years. The present recommendations starting higher rate of pension after 80 years is just befooling the people since there are just few handful lucky ones who survive till the age of 80 or thereafter. It should be understood that the health problems normally start increasing year after year from 65 years onwards. However, the rate of initial enhancement at the age of 65, 70 and 75 years may start at the rate of 5% keep increasing at each interval of five years at the rate of 5%. The rate of increase of pension starting from the age of 80 years should be 10% and further enhancement should keep increasing at an additional 10% at the interval of each five years.
27. The 2% subsidy on house building advances recommended by the Pay Commission is too meager, rather it is negligible. It should be minimum 5% of interest rate to encourage the employees to construct their own houses. This will relieve the burden of the Govt. to construct the houses for all its employees and further keep incurring expenditure on the maintenance of the houses. Also, life of such houses keeps decreasing because of depletion of constructional material thus the maintenance cost of the houses keeps increasing. Even otherwise, the Govt. on an average has to spend almost Rs. 2500000/- to 7000000/- for present cost of construction of the houses for various categories of its employees. If one calculates cost of construction, interest there upon, and expenditure on maintenance of the houses, it will be colossal. In case the subsidy of 5% of interest rate is given for house building advances, it still will be most economical to the state and encourage maximum employees to build their own houses.
28. Further, to encourage the employees to construct their own houses, the Govt. in addition to giving higher subsidy in interest rate, it should give additional 10% HRA to its employees for all stations especially for those who live in their own houses. Such measures will solve the house problems of serving as well as Govt. employees which is the biggest one after their retirement.
Yours Sincerely,
Lt. Col. (Retd.) K L Jaspal,
H. No. 28, Sector 21B, Faridabad.

Respected sir,
I am working as a staff nurse since 5.7.95 at AIIPMR Haji Ali Park mahalaxmi mumbai.
mentaly harrasment by my director for my 5TH pay commission arrear money and duty and since 8yrs applying higher education not forwarding my application. I dont know where i complaint,i am belonging sc women from Tamilnadu.i want help

i want to know one thing if the person selected in railway department in the post of signal mainttener than how much salary he is receving in the time of training period or after training if the person joined in any rural area than how much salary he is gatting


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